Unlocking Your Potential: The Masterclass Everyone Needs
Today, we’re diving into the wild world of mental wellness with Patrick Eilers, who’s basically a walking, talking therapist and a coach all rolled into one. He’s here to spill the tea on why we all need a bit of counseling—seriously, even counselors need counselors. We get to chat about his Bloomworks concepts and coaching, which is like a 12-week crash course in figuring out your feelings, finding your purpose, and learning to communicate like a pro. It’s not just for the therapy-seeking folks; honestly, anyone can benefit from leveling up their mental game. So, if you’ve ever felt lost in life or just want to sharpen those emotional skills, stick around because Patrick’s got the goods to help us all bloom into our best selves.
Takeaways:
- In today's episode, we dive deep into the importance of having a counselor in our lives, because honestly, who doesn't need a little help sorting through their emotional baggage?
- Patrick shares how even counselors need counseling—because surprise, we're all just figuring it out as we go along, and sometimes a support group is essential for sanity!
- We explore the fine line between therapy and coaching, emphasizing that while therapy looks at past wounds, coaching is all about kick-starting your forward momentum—no pressure, right?
- The Bloom Protocol is all about helping folks uncover their purpose, emotions, and communication skills, so they can actually express what's going on inside their heads without resorting to interpretive dance!
- Life's too short to float aimlessly; finding your why is crucial, or else you'll just end up doom scrolling and wondering where your time went—truly, what a tragedy!
- In the end, personal growth is about more than just fixing problems—it's about thriving and being the best version of yourself, even if that means unearthing some weird quirks along the way.
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Companies mentioned in this episode:
- Bloomworks Concepts and Coaching
Transcript
Welcome back.
Speaker A:My name is Ashley, and this is the Black Sheep Christian Podcast.
Speaker A:Today I am with Patrick Eilers.
Speaker A:Thanks for joining me today.
Speaker B:Yeah, thanks, Ashley.
Speaker B:Thanks for having me today.
Speaker A:Patrick is a counselor, which we all need in every aspect in our lives.
Speaker A:And so here we are going to dive into his expertise.
Speaker A:So I appreciate you joining me today.
Speaker B:Yeah, thanks a lot for having me.
Speaker B:I'm looking forward to our conversation and all things we're going to talk about.
Speaker B:I'm sure it won't be a great conversation.
Speaker A:Oh, yeah, because like what I said, we all need counselors in every shape.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker B:The counselors need counselors, too.
Speaker A:How does it feel to have a counselor, to be a counselor?
Speaker A:I mean, is that something that is, like, opened and shared or is that like you, or is that like something that counselors like, keep within their.
Speaker A:Keep within their souls?
Speaker B:I think everybody sort of has their own perspective on it.
Speaker B:I mean, professionally, that the.
Speaker B:The best way of looking at it is to try to have somebody that you, you know, you work with if you need to, you know, talk about certain things.
Speaker B:I'm blessed that I have an opportunity to be with a counselor support group.
Speaker B:So it's a bunch of us that get together a couple times a month and talk about just the struggles of being therapists and the things we go through and things like that and just support one other, the business aspect, but also just as a, you know, individuals as well, and led by a great guy.
Speaker B:One of my.
Speaker B:He's my success coach, leads the group.
Speaker B:So, yeah, I've got some different supports.
Speaker B:I mean, certainly you want to reflect with people as you can, and you do just some case consultation when you have those tough cases from time to time.
Speaker B:But, you know, it's encouraged that way.
Speaker B:But I don't know, a lot of people have their own therapist.
Speaker B:I know for me, I don't have a therapist.
Speaker B:Like I said, it's more of a support group.
Speaker B:But that's sort of some things that we try to.
Speaker B:We try to encourage people on that for sure, if that's something that they need.
Speaker A:Yeah, that's a good thing to point out because I remember when a long time ago, when I was thinking about what to do with my life, I remember thinking about being a counselor myself.
Speaker A:And I just thought to myself, I don't think I'm a good listener, you know, because you think about the skills that you have and how can you not maximize it, but how can you, you know, amplify it, make it grow?
Speaker A:And I was like, I don't Know, if I can have a day job Monday through Friday, constantly listening to the woes of the world.
Speaker A:And to be empathetic of those woes of the world, you know, their emergency doesn't necessarily is my emergency, but my view, it's important to them.
Speaker A:For some reason, like, I can see myself be like, get it together.
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:You know, that's not something as a counselor you should be doing.
Speaker B:Yeah, it.
Speaker B:That is one of the things that's really hard, you know, I think for me, you know, on that same note, you know, one of the things I guess I've struggled with is, you know, learning how to be able to be neutral with everybody, you know, because what happens is when you tend to do that, you know, you tend to sort of try to have the perspective that everybody, you know, that person's experience is correct, whatever that is.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:And it is their experience.
Speaker B:I mean, to some degree, it's their reality.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:But when you start getting away from, especially from a faith perspective, if you start getting away from some of those things, you know, is your own faith, it kind of doesn't.
Speaker B:I don't say it really messes with your head, but it starts to make those boundaries so much more gray than they are solid.
Speaker B:And so one of the things I've been learning is that, you know, just getting back to my own beliefs and.
Speaker B:And letting those beliefs in my own mind be mine and separate myself, my job, from still being empathetic, but also being able to still be with people where they're at and understand their experience, theirs.
Speaker B:That's something I think.
Speaker B:You know, it didn't really hit me early on in my career, but as I've been going through, that's more and more the older again, it's one of the things that has become much more of a solidified piece for me is making sure I know what I believe and what I feel like and what I'm experiencing.
Speaker B:Because you can get very much caught up in the fact that, you know, this is what everybody else has experienced.
Speaker B:But what do you.
Speaker B:What do you experience?
Speaker B:The person that's, you know, in order to be a really effective therapist, you have to know who you are, I think, most importantly, because if you step into a space where you can get kind of pulled with them, you know, you're going to align with them in a way that's not going to be helpful.
Speaker B:So you kind of have to look at it as there's an empathy piece, there's a listening piece.
Speaker B:Absolutely.
Speaker B:Those are great skills, and those are important.
Speaker B:Skills.
Speaker B:But the other part of it is evaluation and being able to, you know, put yourself in a position where you're able to genuinely be honest and love and care.
Speaker B:But also at the same time, you'll be effective in that.
Speaker B:Because a lot of times I think sometimes a lot or a lot of cases and clients will report this.
Speaker B:You know that there's some therapists that get very wrapped up in their own stuff.
Speaker B:Sometimes some of the sessions are about, you know, too much about supporting them and not getting them enough direction.
Speaker B:So it's a balance all the time.
Speaker B:It's a balance that has to be recalibrated quite regularly.
Speaker A:Yeah, that's a, that's a, that's that's very interesting.
Speaker A:Interesting point of view because like I said, we all need therapists and counselors.
Speaker A:But to be a therapist and counselors, sometimes you just wonder like, oh my God, like, what, what do you do?
Speaker A:Yeah, how do you go through all these clients?
Speaker A:What, I mean, what would a typical.
Speaker A:What does a client workload look like?
Speaker A:How many talk in a day?
Speaker B:Yeah, it depends on the person.
Speaker B:I mean, everybody kind of works at their own pace.
Speaker B:I've known people who've worked, they'll do one or two clients or one or two sessions a week.
Speaker B:And then I know people who've done 60 sessions a week.
Speaker B:It just depends on the person.
Speaker B:For me, the full time caseload is typically somewhere between 25 and 30 a week.
Speaker B:So you're looking at probably six or seven a day.
Speaker B:Five probably is ideal for me.
Speaker B:I've been in different settings.
Speaker B:So like, you know, sometimes you have individual sessions, but then there's other times I've worked where I've done groups and those have a different level of sort of draining than an individual session might.
Speaker B:So whereas, you know, in some cases you might be able to do 20 sessions individually.
Speaker B:You're, you're doing multiple groups in a row somewhere along the way.
Speaker B:So some.
Speaker B:So it's easier to have smaller amount of regular individual caseload versus having a group.
Speaker B:Now some people exclusively work with groups, so that's a different type of, you know, you might have, you know, four or five groups in your, in your caseload, so to speak, but you're seeing, you know, six, seven, eight people, you know, per group.
Speaker B:So I think one of the things that, you know, to kind of your point, you know, the biggest thing is being able to understand that you're not a therapist all the time.
Speaker B:And that's something that a lot of people, I've run into a lot of People, you know, think I analyze everyone.
Speaker B:And that's not the case at all.
Speaker B:The idea is once you close the door, then you're in your role.
Speaker B:That's the role you are.
Speaker B:When you open the door, you're no longer a therapist.
Speaker B:And that goes for everybody around you.
Speaker B:So you don't really, at least for me anyway, I don't really walk around with that lens of I need to analyze and, you know, diagnose everybody.
Speaker B:My, my analytics and my diagnosis come when the room is.
Speaker B:The room is closed.
Speaker B:And that time is the client's time, me being able to do that.
Speaker B:But that's something a lot of people, I think, have the feeling in the society that, you know, if you're a therapist, you're automatically just always wired to that.
Speaker B:And it's not.
Speaker B:That's not the case.
Speaker B:It's just, you know, you want to help people, but you may not be, you know, for my case, I mean, I want to help people, but I just, I don't like blood, so there's no way I'm be cutting into anybody.
Speaker B:So you're not going to see me doing that kind of help.
Speaker B:But so that's, that's one of the things.
Speaker B:It's like, I think sometimes when you, when you try to become there, when you're a therapist, you have a lot of stigma attached even to you, about what people think that you do, what people expect you to do and how to respond to stuff and whatnot.
Speaker B:So you certainly get a lot of that as well.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah, that's a good point to put out there because, I mean, I can only imagine this exhausting just to have it on 24 7, but with the line of work that you do, with the type of conversations that you have is quite unique.
Speaker A:And the type of counseling that you do, which kind of in a way helps you hide a bit.
Speaker A:You know, it's not like mental health.
Speaker A:It's more like Sex Edition.
Speaker A:So I'm Sex Edition, sex addict.
Speaker A:I.
Speaker A:I can't even say the word.
Speaker A:I don't even know why I can't even say the word.
Speaker A:But.
Speaker A:But with the type that you do, I'm sure is quite interesting in itself.
Speaker B:Well, when I was working with that, you know, specifically, you have a lot of the same skills you're bringing to the table from what you did before when you work as a general practitioner, so to speak.
Speaker B:I mean, there's still a lot of the same kind of things you're still talking about, you know, stress management, you know, how to be able to Navigate, you know, certain behaviors, certain.
Speaker B:Avoiding certain things, you know, keeping yourself safe with your own boundaries, that kind of thing.
Speaker B:There are certainly conversations that get deeper and certainly about, especially if somebody's had trauma in their life about some of the things that they may have experienced physically or sexually or whatever.
Speaker B:But I do think that, you know, no matter what you're working with, you, you have a lot, you have a certain skill set that you always have, and then there's things you kind of work around with that.
Speaker B:And again, when it comes to certain conversations, I mean, people are going to be deeper with in some ways than others.
Speaker B:The people you build the greatest rapport with will be the people that have the, you know, that feel safest with you.
Speaker B:Those are the people who are going to get to the, you know, the deepest parts of it with addiction.
Speaker B:Specifically because I worked in a, in an actual setting of a program, meaning that we had a, a three to five year program that we were helping people navigate.
Speaker B:A lot of the topics are kind of already preset for you because they're going through a book and they're kind of going through some stuff that's already preset for them.
Speaker B:So the idea is to try to process through some of the things that they're already learning in the program.
Speaker B:And that's easier said than done.
Speaker B:I mean, certainly there's people who love doing it and they love that regimen and there's our people who, you know, they start out the regiment and then it kind of still falls off.
Speaker B:So you kind of have to work within the realm of what they give you.
Speaker B:If you.
Speaker B:Again, you can't.
Speaker B:You can keep people as directed as you can.
Speaker B:But I always think about it is that if I'm, if I'm working with somebody, I want them to feel like they're, they're directing it as well.
Speaker B:You know, it's not just totally up to me.
Speaker B:So there's, there's some pieces of that as well where you're trying to keep them.
Speaker B:You know, they're, they have the roadmap, so to speak, but they need, they got, they're.
Speaker B:They're taking us to the direction they want to.
Speaker B:And the roadmap really is only about getting us from, you know, across the country, so to speak.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:So really the idea is to try to keep them within the realm of where they pro.
Speaker B:Within the program, but also the same, like I said, because it opens up some of your things in their life, right?
Speaker B:There's things going on with their partner, there's things going on with, you know, their work, their work, life, whatever, however deep the addiction has affected them, that can open up a lot of different areas, very much like a traditional therapist would.
Speaker B:So you're not exclusively just talking about, you know, sexual content.
Speaker B:I guess it's kind of where I'm going with that.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:Wow.
Speaker A:Because I can only.
Speaker A:I can only because when.
Speaker A:When you think about your mind just feels like out of the atmosphere.
Speaker A:But it, It's.
Speaker A:It's more tamed than.
Speaker A:Than what one could imagine.
Speaker B:Well, it certainly can.
Speaker B:You know, again, it depends.
Speaker B:I would say there's probably more within the group.
Speaker B:I mean, certainly, like when you do a lot of group work that we did in the program, you get more of those kind of things, people sharing more of those, when you bring up different topics and that within the program.
Speaker B:So certainly people being able to relate to it in that way in pornography particularly, which is kind of the main reason why people usually come to a sex addiction type of setting, at least in my experience.
Speaker B:Majority of people were struggling with porn.
Speaker B:You know, they.
Speaker B:You.
Speaker B:It depends on how far your experience has been.
Speaker B:I mean, if you, if you start out like a lot of folks do when you're real young, you may have seen all kinds of things that you would have never thought you were going to see because that's just how it elevates, you know, because you need more.
Speaker B:Just like a drink or just like drugs, you need more of it in order to have the same desired effect.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:So people start to, you know, get into some things that they never thought they were ever going to look at or see or whatever, you know, because they did and they don't have intention to get there.
Speaker B:But that's what happens because they've, you know, they need more of that.
Speaker B:It needs to be more, I guess I would call it.
Speaker B:I'm trying to find the right word for it.
Speaker B:Basically, it becomes.
Speaker B:I wouldn't say grotesque is the right word, but certainly more abnormal.
Speaker B:Probably is a bit.
Speaker B:Probably a better word.
Speaker B:The more abnormal it gets, the more people tend to, you know, they get.
Speaker B:They get more drawn to it, especially if they.
Speaker B:If what they were watching before is not, you know, affecting them in a way that they wanted to.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Wow.
Speaker A:Interesting.
Speaker A:Thank you.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Now, I also know that when it comes.
Speaker A:Now we're switching gears.
Speaker A:I just want to let people know before question and people be like, what?
Speaker A:This is a complete 180.
Speaker A:Now.
Speaker A:You have developed a masterclass to help people identify and understand how they feel, to be able to more effectively communicate and I know I've been through therapy and I know family members that have.
Speaker A:And what's interesting with therapy is that I have noticed is that you already as a person who's seeking therapy or is going through therapy, you already have the answers.
Speaker A:It's just a matter of just conjuring it up for it to effectively communicate to yourself and to others about what is happening.
Speaker A:So as far as you developing this master class, as far as helping with feelings, I lost my question.
Speaker A:I did all that and I lost my question in an instant about it.
Speaker B:Sounds like you're asking me kind of what, what is the basis of all three of those pie that have come.
Speaker B:The program is about.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:So the pro.
Speaker B:So it's called the, called, it's called the Bloom Protocol because the, the company is called Bloomworks Concepts and Coaching and the Bloom Protocol is a 12 week master course.
Speaker B:What I found, no matter if I was working with, with addiction, when I was working as a general practitioner, most adults that I was working with, you know, there's kind of three areas that seem to be affecting a lot of people's mental health.
Speaker B:And so when I, when I originally thought the idea of becoming a coach, the idea was really about the process of mental wellness.
Speaker B:So one of the things that we have that we lack, at least in the United States, maybe it's around the world, but certainly in the United States with mental health, is that there's coaching and then on the other side of the spectrum, there's therapy.
Speaker B:Now both of those try to do different things in those spaces, but the reality is there's nothing really kind of in between those two things.
Speaker B:And the protocol course is really designed to try to bridge a little bit of that gap so that it's not necessarily that you're doing therapy, but you're doing this internal work of coaching and understanding your mental wellness and how to be mentally well.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:We have a lot of these things like chiropractors and all these physical well being things, but for mental health we don't have a lot of that.
Speaker B:So the idea of the mental wellness was really three parts.
Speaker B:And what I usually see to people is what's their purpose?
Speaker B:That's really the first question.
Speaker B:You know, what's their why?
Speaker B:Why are they doing what they do?
Speaker B:You know, if it's their job, if it's their, you know, their life, their hobbies, whatever, what's their why?
Speaker B:Why are they living day to day?
Speaker B:Second part is understanding their emotions more clearly.
Speaker B:Majority of adults that I've talked to, they can Label about three emotions.
Speaker B:Angry, sad, happy.
Speaker B:Those are the three.
Speaker B:So emotional quality is what I'm calling it kind of an expansion of understanding your emotional vocabulary, understanding your feelings.
Speaker B:Because all those feelings exist is just whether or not you recognize you feel them.
Speaker B:And then the third part was communicating the ability to communicate those things in a.
Speaker B:Basically the way a leadership would.
Speaker B:Because we're all leaders in some way in our lives, right?
Speaker B:Whether it be with our kids or it be with our spouse, whether it be with our work setting, wherever it is, we're all leaders.
Speaker B:And so how do we communicate more effectively so that we are greater leaders in that sense?
Speaker B:Now, I didn't really, I didn't want to highlight the leadership part so much.
Speaker B:I really wanted to highlight the other three because those are the areas that help people develop better leadership is because if you have those three areas, you're able to talk to people more effectively, you're able to communicate what you feel more effectively.
Speaker B:Able to communicate what you do and why you do it more effectively.
Speaker B:I kind of got the why idea from Simon Sinek.
Speaker B:For those who are familiar with him, his idea of what is your why?
Speaker B:Was really about kind of the idea of like a business.
Speaker B:For example, a business has what, what is their, their goal and why, why do they build the products that they build, et cetera.
Speaker B:And people who, you know, businesses who are very clear whys don't.
Speaker B:They don't have to advertise because people have an association with a product.
Speaker B:So like, for example, Apple doesn't have to really do a lot of marketing for why you should buy an Apple product.
Speaker B:People just know Apple products are really high quality, what they stand for, etc.
Speaker B:And that's the same kind of idea here, is that, you know, can people understand themselves clear enough to be able to say this is, you know, I think of so and so I know exactly what their, what, what their mission is and sort of what their goal is, what their values are.
Speaker B:So that's really where that purpose piece comes from.
Speaker A:Nice.
Speaker B:So, yeah, so the program really is designed to kind of take all three of those elements and help a person be able to extract that, so to speak, from themselves and be able to live it out.
Speaker B:And so it's a group course.
Speaker B:So the idea was that you're working together as a group and you meet once a week virtually and you kind of talk about what you're learning.
Speaker B:And obviously there's a, there's a class portion to it.
Speaker B:Obviously we're giving, we're giving some homework there, but it's about identifying those things and learning and growing in that way.
Speaker B:So that's kind of really where that, that master class was kind of coming out of.
Speaker A:Beautiful.
Speaker A:It almost feels like now, correct me if I'm wrong, it almost feels like personal branding.
Speaker B:From the perspective of what their why is.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah, maybe I really hadn't considered that, that definition.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker B:I really, I think the more of the consideration I had thought of with that was that, you know, people, regardless if they're in, in, in a faith setting or not, they tend to not necessarily know, you know, what is their, what's the end goal of their life, what is their.
Speaker B:What do they, what do they value, what is their mission, so to speak.
Speaker B:And so even people who, like, you know, I'll use myself as an example, like, even though I know, like I like to help people, I don't have necessarily unique area in my life where I can go, yeah, you know what?
Speaker B:I really, this is, this is really what I really want to do until I've put some thought into it and kind of get a better sense of what that would look like for myself.
Speaker B:So just kind of going on that same idea.
Speaker B:It's more about helping people understand, you know, what does motivate them to move toward their, their everyday, you know, goal.
Speaker B:If they don't have one, they're going to be very like, they're not going to have a lot of.
Speaker B:In the anchor, so to speak.
Speaker B:They're going to kind of be floating freely with, with the world.
Speaker B:And so what ends up happening is so that when you lose that direction, you know, you're not going to, You're.
Speaker B:You're more likely to then get attached to something that is unhealthy.
Speaker B:So like doom scrolling, like things on the phone, comparisons with our people, pornography, all those things kind of serve as that anchor.
Speaker B:So knowing your purpose is really important because it does, it keeps you away from those kind of things because you're not going to be drawn to that because you're drawn to, you know, to making a difference in the world, for example, or, you know, impacting other people in some other, some other way.
Speaker B:So that's really kind of.
Speaker B:That one particularly is more about trying to help people, you know, find that anchor, if that makes sense.
Speaker A:It does make sense.
Speaker A:It's more deeper than personal branding.
Speaker A:And I do understand that because, I mean, me, I relaunched, I did a podcast during the pandemic.
Speaker A:Why?
Speaker A:Because, you know, I had nothing else to do.
Speaker A:Everybody's sitting at home once we got back work, you know, I didn't have that time.
Speaker A:And so it almost, you know, I get to a point it almost feels like, you know, like, what do I want to be when I grow up again?
Speaker B:You know, Definitely, you know, and it's always changing too.
Speaker B:That's the thing is that that's, you know, I think that, and I think it changes more now in our era we're living in now than it was, you know, 35, 40, 50 years ago.
Speaker B:Because, you know, people committed to a career and they stayed in that career for X amount of time till they retired.
Speaker B:Yeah, and that's changed.
Speaker B:You know, it's different now than it was.
Speaker B:You know, people may have multiple careers, you know, in their life.
Speaker B:So, So I think, you know, that's kind of where, you know, being able to, even if you don't, even if you take the course once and you understand that, then you know how you have some tools in order to be able to bring that back up.
Speaker B:So you can, you know, you can re.
Speaker B:Explore that.
Speaker B:That's kind of the goal.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:And, and it, and you know what, it's.
Speaker A:It's interesting because I know before we started recording it was like, you know, I want.
Speaker A:I was thinking about being, you know, a counselor, a therapist.
Speaker A:But, you know, the conversation was like, to myself, like, yeah, I can listen and have empathy, but I, I don't have that type of bandwidth or capacity.
Speaker A:But here I am doing.
Speaker B:And that's good wisdom.
Speaker B:That's really good wisdom to know that.
Speaker A:Be in the field and be like you.
Speaker A:All that schooling, schooling, certificates, and then you got to do the internship.
Speaker A:Be like in your process.
Speaker A:She'd be like, this ain't going to be it.
Speaker A:But, but it's also another thing too, is what I, what I feel that your masterclass can help too, is skills are very.
Speaker A:What we're finding is skills are very transferable.
Speaker A:I mean, me just using an example, being a listener and empathy.
Speaker A:You can be a nurse with that, you can be a counselor with that.
Speaker A:You know, there are so many other careers just for empathy and listening, you know.
Speaker B:Yeah, I would say anything you inter.
Speaker B:Interact with people.
Speaker B:I mean, I think anytime you're a good listener, it puts you in a good position to be a good boss.
Speaker B:It puts it in a position to be.
Speaker B:I talked about earlier being a leader, but I think it puts you in a good position to be, you know, a better parent, you know, to be a better, you know, better listener with your friends, whoever it might be.
Speaker B:Your.
Speaker B:All your relationships can benefit from that.
Speaker B:So that's that's another part of it is the master class.
Speaker B:And that's.
Speaker B:That's what's been really hard about it, is that, you know, people want to ask me, how do you niche this down?
Speaker B:You know, what's your population you want to.
Speaker B:You want to talk to?
Speaker B:And it's like, this really could be for anybody.
Speaker B:I mean, that's one of the things I.
Speaker B:That was the whole.
Speaker B:One of the goals of it was that it wasn't limited to just, hey, you're doing this behavior, so do this class.
Speaker B:So you have insight.
Speaker B:Not to do that behavior.
Speaker B:It was more about, you know, help your help learn more how to be mentally well so that you don't have to go to therapy necessarily.
Speaker B:If, you know, if that's.
Speaker B:If you.
Speaker B:If you can learn some of these things here, you know, therapy is a benefit if you want to continue down that path.
Speaker B:But from a wellness perspective, you know, anybody, if they're in therapy or not, could benefit from.
Speaker B:From the.
Speaker B:From the insight.
Speaker B:This guy.
Speaker B:That's.
Speaker B:That's the goal of it.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:You know, that reminds me, I remember a family member decided to go through therapy, and it was like the beginning sessions.
Speaker A:People are in this beginning session, and the family members, but they weren't going to be in the other ones.
Speaker A:It was just kind of like gathering information.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Like an intake session.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:And I remember the question was, well, what do you want them to get out of this?
Speaker A:And I said, no, it's not about getting.
Speaker A:I said, it's not about the.
Speaker A:The situation that they're in now.
Speaker A:I said, I believe what's best is to have the skills because you're going to be in this position again and just have those skills to be able to recognize and to be able to move forward on whatever that situation is.
Speaker A:And that sounds like what this is, because, I mean, we're living longer.
Speaker A:I mean, we have this question when we're 18, we have this question when we're in our 20s, and then we're probably.
Speaker A:I'm just picking the major age groups.
Speaker A:And then we're probably going to have this question again when we retire.
Speaker B:Like, what do I.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely.
Speaker A:Because, you know, we're living healthier longer.
Speaker A:So, you know, if you're retiring in your 60s, you're probably looking at a good 20 years of what do I do?
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:And to your point, it's certainly the idea that, yes, you're.
Speaker B:You're going.
Speaker B:And that's the difference between therapy and coaching.
Speaker B:I mean, therapy really is about Looking at your past explain, you know, sort of exploring what your past has been about, you know, your patterns, your developments, you know, why you're here, those kind of things with the diagnosis in mind.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:You're trying to find some type of, you know, connection to what we would call a diagnosis where coaching is more about, you know, present and future, you know, so you're looking more at less diagnosis, less about why you got where you're at.
Speaker B:And to my understanding, most people know why they got where they're at.
Speaker B:It's about how, what do they do with it moving forward.
Speaker B:And I like what you said that, you know, it's always going to come back up.
Speaker B:And that's one of the things, I think that's a limitation about therapy to some degree is that the, the collective culture tends to look at therapy with a way of, I'm going to go here and talk about this, and just because I talk about, I'm going to feel better.
Speaker B:Well, that's number one, your circumstances don't always change.
Speaker B:And number two, just because you feel better about it doesn't mean as soon as you leave the office, it's going to come back.
Speaker B:Because sometimes it does.
Speaker B:And that's where I think, you know, some of it is skill development.
Speaker B:Absolutely.
Speaker B:But the other part of it is being able to be okay with a therapist that is going to walk alongside with you in the season that you're in.
Speaker B:And I always phrase it because I think the season that we're in does that means it's not going to.
Speaker B:It's not going to go forever, but it's not going to.
Speaker B:It will end when the time is for it to end.
Speaker B:And no one really knows what that time is.
Speaker B:So you have to be prepared to go in that season.
Speaker B:Just like if you were like, you know, I live in Michigan, so, you know, where we have, we have four seasons, but it's more like three and a half.
Speaker B:But typically when it gets.
Speaker B:Starts to get cold, you know, you got to dress differently for when it's cold versus when it's summertime.
Speaker B:So it's the same kind of thing.
Speaker B:If you're going into therapy with the idea that, well, this season of winter is going to last forever, I'm just going to have my coat on and I'm just going to go through it.
Speaker B:You know, eventually it's going to be a summer season that's going to come and you're going to be really hot.
Speaker B:And so how are you going to adapt to that?
Speaker B:So it is about adaptability.
Speaker B:A lot of time.
Speaker B:And coaching is, I think from perspective of adaptability, is identifying adaptability more, I guess, more regularly because you're working with the person here and now rather than looking at it as, you know, what did you.
Speaker B:What have you not adapted in the past?
Speaker B:You know, so that's one of the things I like about coaching is that it's a little more.
Speaker B:A little more proactive in that way versus therapy is a little more, I guess, contemplative or reflected.
Speaker B:Probably is a better, again, not asleep, bad or worse on either side.
Speaker B:Just.
Speaker B:It's a different.
Speaker B:It's a different need per person.
Speaker B:That's how I guess I look at it.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And as we're having this conversation, it's kind of like, yeah, why don't.
Speaker A:I haven't thought about it that before, you know, putting the two together, you know, and.
Speaker A:And I never really thought about how separate the two are.
Speaker A:I mean, I mean, I did, but I didn't really think that deeply.
Speaker A:You know, it's just.
Speaker A:I was just there.
Speaker A:Like you coach.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:A coach, I feel is kind of a.
Speaker A:I think coaching does make sense, but with the word today.
Speaker A:But you think about sports, you know, somebody to help you get fit for you to be able to do a certain task, you know, to certain or certain whatever.
Speaker A:Therapy just only helps you better understand what has occurred and how to move forward after it's occurred.
Speaker A:But the two together really, we.
Speaker A:We don't really marry the two together at all, but they do go hand in hand.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And again, there are different sort of again, on the spectrum of what you're looking at.
Speaker B:I mean, certainly people who are involved and that's, you know, again, you look at it, mental wellness versus mental health.
Speaker B:Mental health is, you know, verified by, you know, insurance.
Speaker B:Insurance will pay for mental health, you know, just like if it was a physical thing.
Speaker B:Whereas in mental wellness, just like they wouldn't pay for the chiropractor.
Speaker B:It's the same kind of thing.
Speaker B:Mental wellness is more about, you know, maintaining.
Speaker B:So it's people who are maybe not having a serious of symptoms.
Speaker B:And again, a lot of times when you're looking at mental health in general, right.
Speaker B:There's a lot of focus on symptoms.
Speaker B:That's what we always talk about.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:We talk about reducing anxiety, we talk about reducing depression, we talk about reducing stress, reducing being overwhelmed.
Speaker B:We talk about all these things are going on.
Speaker B:But when we focus on symptoms a lot of times in that that also limits us because not only we're looking at.
Speaker B:Once I reduce These symptoms to where I feel like I'm normal or comfortable or whatever, then I don't have to do anything more.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:That's what that sort of suggests.
Speaker B:So it limits.
Speaker B:When people come to therapy, a lot of times that's what their goal is.
Speaker B:You ask them, okay, what's, what's your goal?
Speaker B:Like you said earlier, what do you want to get out of this?
Speaker B:The answer usually comes back to, I want to feel better.
Speaker B:Well, what does that mean?
Speaker B:Feeling better is a short term, it's not necessarily a long term.
Speaker B:And so that's where I think from a society, we have a little bit of a wrong perspective on what, on what therapy is and the roles of it.
Speaker B:And a lot of that's because it's a relatively new field.
Speaker B: only been around since about: Speaker B:But basically the reality of it is that we're still trying to understand all the different aspects of how that works within the modern, you know, society, so to speak.
Speaker B:You know, it's great to talk about it and that's it.
Speaker B:That helps.
Speaker B:You know, they talk about reducing the stigma, which I think is great, but reduction of the stigma is only one part of the conversation.
Speaker B:The rest of the conversation is, okay, once the stigma is produced, then what do we do with it?
Speaker B:What are the functioning.
Speaker B:What's the functioning of a therapist versus a coach?
Speaker B:What's the functioning of, you know, a program, so to speak, for addiction versus a general practitioner?
Speaker B:You know, just that kind of stuff.
Speaker B:So I think you have to get, once you start getting into those kind of things, it starts to change a little bit about how people see it because it normalizes a lot of that stuff because now you know what the functions are.
Speaker B:And a lot of therapists don't talk about the functions of what therapy is and functions of how that works.
Speaker B:So that's, that's, that's another part of, I think the conversation sometimes is missing.
Speaker A:Yeah, thanks for clarifying that for me.
Speaker A:And, and you are right, because as, as you are explaining, it's like, oh, because I mean it all, it, it's really hard.
Speaker A:I'm trying to understand the way that I was thinking in the past, now that you have clarified, it's, it's, it's like I'm trying to understand.
Speaker A:It's like I'm looking at my ugly Bob Ross painting like it's the most ugliest thing in the world.
Speaker A:It's like, it's like colors.
Speaker A:It's like they're separate, but it, it, it just, it just smushes together.
Speaker A:You, you know, and so that, so for you to clarify.
Speaker A:Thank you.
Speaker A:Because now that I think about it, it's like, oh, yeah, that does make sense.
Speaker A:That is right.
Speaker A:Because as a society, and I should just say in the United States, because we aren't the best at these things.
Speaker A:We're just in the beginning of really understanding something that cultures have already knew for centuries about what the difference is and how to handle them.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker B:Well, and some of that's because there's such a real, there's such a structure around the medical model.
Speaker B:And the medical model to a lot of degree has a lot of, you know, it's a very financial model.
Speaker B:And that isn't necessarily a bad thing.
Speaker B:It's just being that the medical model is framed around, you know, practicing doctors or therapists or whoever you know, getting paid and clients being able to come in and get that service and those kind of things.
Speaker B:It's, it's not really around a holistic type model.
Speaker B:So again, going back to like the idea of, you know, you want to, you know, merge the, you know, psychology with the, you know, theology and a lot of their things, a lot of those different, you know, practices are all sort of asking a lot of the same questions.
Speaker B:It's just a matter of, you know, it doesn't look at it necessarily as a scientific piece so much.
Speaker B:I mean, sometimes it does, but for the most part it doesn't.
Speaker B:So that's another piece of that as well.
Speaker B:We're like in the circle of everything that you're experiencing, there's certainly an aspect of that where the medical model is going to try to put more sort of science framework and diagnosis, diagnostic framework and those kind of, kind of language around that because that's, that's what really, you know, that's what gives validity to it.
Speaker B:Again, you know, you could test somebody and they can say, well, you know, my number on my anxiety score is 15 when it normally is 5.
Speaker B:You know, now I have this sort of empirical data that shows that there was something's going on.
Speaker B:But like you said, there's such a vast difference throughout the world that has seen mental health being a major factor in people's overall well being, not just their physical.
Speaker B:And what we're learning more and more throughout a lot of different research is that the mental wellness that you're in there actually really probably has a lot more to do with the foundation of why your physical health is what it is.
Speaker B:I was just talking to My mentors yesterday, and he said that there's research out there that I forgot how much the percentage drop of people who have chronic back pain, it's.
Speaker B:If they are heard from a doctor for like six minutes long, it reduces that.
Speaker B:That back pain, you know, significantly by a fraction of whatever the research was.
Speaker B:I don't know the number.
Speaker B:But anyway, they reduced the pain.
Speaker B:So that, again, that just goes to show you talk about empathy.
Speaker B:Empathy.
Speaker B:You know, people being able to listen to one another is a huge factor of people's connection.
Speaker B:People being feeling like they're not connected with people.
Speaker B:And so again, the other thing that happens with technology, technology breaks those connections.
Speaker B:You know, being able to yell at somebody over the phone's a whole lot different than me help somebody in person.
Speaker B:So it's one of those things where there's a whole different storm of all stuff that's getting wrapped up in that beyond just what we're already discovering.
Speaker A:It just feels so much better to yell at the screen.
Speaker B:Absolutely nobody.
Speaker B:Nobody can yell back.
Speaker A:And then I also, you know, sometimes I have on my desk, like, nope, not today.
Speaker A:And then.
Speaker A:And then I also have, which I love, you know, some F bombs, you know, to throw at, you know, every now and again if I.
Speaker A:I haven't seen those ones.
Speaker A:Yeah, somebody found it.
Speaker A:A co worker found it on Etsy.
Speaker A:Here's a different version.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker A:Somebody who could crochet did that for us ladies in the office.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker A:So some fun stuff for us to express our digital anger without doing it in front of the person.
Speaker A:Oh, goodness.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:So anyways, thank you for that.
Speaker A:Oh, wait a minute.
Speaker A:I better put some stuff back before I forget, because I can easily mess up my desk without.
Speaker A:Without much work.
Speaker B:Minus gets full of books and stuff like that, and I never put them away.
Speaker B:So it becomes a permanent bookshelf.
Speaker A:Nice.
Speaker A:A whole new book.
Speaker A:And then.
Speaker A:And then the books need to be a certain.
Speaker A:Like, the pile needs to be a certain pile.
Speaker A:Like.
Speaker A:Like, it doesn't need to make sense.
Speaker A:Like, the pile needs to be at a certain way.
Speaker A:And then if you take something out of the pile, then it's just.
Speaker A:It's just ruined.
Speaker B:Yeah, it certainly.
Speaker B:Right now I have a whole bunch of sticky notes and stuff because I don't.
Speaker B:I don't like to write for some reason.
Speaker B:I don't like to write down, like, a notebook, so.
Speaker B:Or on the computer.
Speaker B:But that's, you know, just.
Speaker B:It just happens when I'm just happy to be sitting here.
Speaker B:There you go.
Speaker B:Here's more.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker A:And then I also have.
Speaker A:Because I don't throw the sticky notes away.
Speaker A:So I have what used to be something for like, Yankee Candle.
Speaker A:I kept it because the box is pretty.
Speaker A:And so I have.
Speaker A:And it's in chronological order, you know, the last.
Speaker A:The sticky note.
Speaker A:So the sticky notes just don't go away because it's almost like a journal, you know?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:I need that sticky note again.
Speaker A:The function of.
Speaker A:The function of the mess.
Speaker B:But that's how we are always.
Speaker A:That's how we are as humans.
Speaker A:We're just mess, but we.
Speaker A:We are very functionable.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:We've.
Speaker B:We have more resilience than we think we do.
Speaker A:We do.
Speaker A:And I think also think that we don't give ourselves as much credit as.
Speaker A:As we should, because as you're talking through this, what this class can offer you, I think, I hope and I believe what people should be able to take out of is that there's a reason why you were put on this planet.
Speaker A:There's a purpose for that.
Speaker A:It's just a matter of sometimes we just need a little bit more help in order to understand what that purpose is.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Well, and sometimes the purpose doesn't necessarily have to look like a career or job or those kind of things.
Speaker B:Sometimes the purpose is.
Speaker B:Is it's.
Speaker B:It's a bigger purpose or it's encompassing some other aspect of it.
Speaker B:But, you know, how we serve people in that way is.
Speaker B:Doesn't necessarily have to look like.
Speaker B:Just like something we do for a job.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And our jobs can also be defined different ways as far as how we.
Speaker B:How we help people.
Speaker B:I mean, certainly, you know, we've kind of highlighted therapy today, but certainly if you're a coach, therapist, if you're, you know, in that.
Speaker B:In that role, you know, that role has a specific space that touches on, I guess, but then the reality is that, you know, then you have situations like this where you're able to come on and.
Speaker B:And I love doing these just because that's.
Speaker B:I think that affects people in a much bigger way too, because we're just having a conversation on something that sometimes a lot of people won't have about.
Speaker B:So I think that's another.
Speaker B:Another aspect of it.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:It doesn't have to just be a job or.
Speaker B:Or something that you.
Speaker B:That you love doing that way.
Speaker B:It might be something that tells you, like, doing that doesn't have anything to do with what you do for a career.
Speaker B:So purposes, I think, has a large range of things to it.
Speaker A:Yeah, that's a good point.
Speaker A:Because now that you Said that reminded me of an article that I read a while ago, a long time ago, and that was Hobbies, How Millennials don't have Hobbies.
Speaker A:And I was like, oh, yeah, that makes perfect sense.
Speaker A:Because, you know, because of technology created a space or a new thought pattern that your hobby should be something that you paid.
Speaker A:And so therefore, it creates a different relationship altogether.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:Hobbies are.
Speaker B:You know, it's interesting.
Speaker B:Millennials, I think.
Speaker B:I think every.
Speaker B:I mean, I think anybody under the age of 40 struggles having a.
Speaker B:Having a hobby.
Speaker B:And a lot of that's because of, you know, like I said to the tech, I mean, there's a big part of it that, you know, I think certainly video games have become kind of the main hobby of that, of the, you know, the generation.
Speaker B:And I speak because I'm in that generation, but, you know, like, I know, like my dad, you know, he.
Speaker B:He loves to, like, model things, like model airplanes.
Speaker B:That's what he loves doing.
Speaker B:I don't have.
Speaker B:I mean, I.
Speaker B:I don't.
Speaker B:I don't have the patience to build stuff.
Speaker B:I don't enjoy that aspect of.
Speaker B:You know, I would much rather go and do something, like, take pictures of.
Speaker B:Of them doing that, like, of them flying the airplanes.
Speaker B:Like, that's a much more satisfying type of a hobby for me.
Speaker B:But building itself is.
Speaker B:No, I have no interest in that aspect of it.
Speaker B:So it's just.
Speaker B:But I don't know, it might be a personality difference, but it also just is that, you know, I just don't see building something as a.
Speaker B:As a relaxing thing.
Speaker B:It's more stressful for me to put something together like that, like, you know, something small and my new.
Speaker B:Like that.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah, that reminds me.
Speaker A:I remember when my brother was younger, and this is when, like, video games were really, like, taking off with the PlayStation 2.
Speaker A:And so Madden was.
Speaker A:Was a huge hit.
Speaker A:And Metal Gear Solid, I'm showing my age.
Speaker A:And I remember my parents, my brother used to play video games all the time.
Speaker A:And my parents were like, you can't make money off of video games.
Speaker A:And now that we're older, we were like, look at these kids now.
Speaker B:Look at these kids.
Speaker B:All kinds of kids make money off video games.
Speaker A:So, like, you could just sit at home Stream and you can just make money just alpha playing video games.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker B:And that's just the changes of how things are.
Speaker B:You know, we just talked about that being adaptive.
Speaker B:You know, that's.
Speaker B:That's part of it, you know, is that there's so many different things that have been different than.
Speaker B:And they always are so many changes in the seasons and things and, you know, just ability, you know, for.
Speaker B:For things that used to never be.
Speaker B:Like we just said, never could have been a career, you know, 40 years ago, but now, now definitely can be.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker A:Yeah, definitely could be.
Speaker A:I should ask them about and be like, how do you feel to see.
Speaker A:Do you still think that you could.
Speaker B:Yeah, and that's a small amount of people who get to that point.
Speaker B:But still, it's more than.
Speaker B:It's more than.
Speaker A:Yeah, it's kind of like I wonder, you know, But I mean, again, I mean, that's all about just understanding your purpose, understanding just to fulfill a wonderful life, you know, what, what you can do in order to contribute to society.
Speaker A:Because in the end, I mean, that's what we're built for, is to be able to produce, to fix, to heal.
Speaker A:I know there's other adjectives.
Speaker A:To be able to make this world a better place.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:Part of our, you know, it says in the bowel, part of our.
Speaker B:Our goal is to.
Speaker B:Is to, you know, be, you know, domain over the Earth, really.
Speaker B:I mean, that's, that's the, that's our purpose is as humans, you know, and again, that can look a lot of different ways.
Speaker B:It doesn't have to just mean, you know, ruling the animals, so to speak.
Speaker B:It also can be, you know, like you said, kind of you're contributing to the society and you're contributing to the.
Speaker B:The further, the.
Speaker B:The, I guess, the enhancement of life and, and to help people become, you know, full versions of who they are.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:I can only imagine, like, some people be like, why did God make humans?
Speaker A:And I'll be like, because he was bored.
Speaker A:Like, why not?
Speaker A:Why not to be able to sit up in the clouds and just watch his people just, you know, do great work.
Speaker B:Well, I definitely feel like it's, you know, there's always talk about, you know, humans being part of, of the salvation of Earth and it's only like God's salvation story to a degree.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:I mean, obviously, you know, none of us are Jesus, but certainly the idea that, you know, humanity as a whole, like God's redemptive, you know, mission has been through, through.
Speaker B:It's partnered with humanity, you know, throughout, throughout history.
Speaker B:And so that's a, A real, That's a very, That's a big privilege in that sense because, you know, in that level there, if you believe you're a believer, then that's, then you understand that's what your part of Your purpose is, you know, in that.
Speaker B:So there's, there's figures beyond just this like, you know, career and those kind of things.
Speaker A:Yeah, that's beautiful.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Oh well, you know, here we are just imperfect beings trying to be, just trying to please a perfect being.
Speaker A:But on, on another note though, as far as where can people be able to find your master class?
Speaker A:Because I know we talked about that and we didn't even say where these people can go.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So all the contact information, I mean you can find me on LinkedIn.
Speaker B:My name is Patrick Eilers, Malpc Clinical Supervisor.
Speaker B:So you'll find me on there.
Speaker B:The website is patreon.com bloomworks and on that website there are tons of mental health resources for people, people I work with, people I know, resources for all different kinds of things.
Speaker B:I have a, a whole bunch of chat, community things on there of different, you know, inspirational quotes and things like that.
Speaker B:Got some videos on there, all the podcasts I do, everything's on there.
Speaker B:So it's, it's definitely an all encompassing website.
Speaker B:You can join for free.
Speaker B:There are two different membership core.
Speaker B:You know, somebody wants to join membership.
Speaker B:There's a five dollar, a ten month, five dollar a month and a ten dollar a month membership.
Speaker B:So with that you get, you know, the ability to be able to ask for details, Q and A, those kind of things.
Speaker B:Haven't done too much with it because nobody's part of that membership yet.
Speaker B:But it's something that somebody's interested in that we can, we can arrange that.
Speaker B:The master class is again, if you're interested in doing that, you got just email me, we'll serve certainly see if we can set something up.
Speaker B:My goal is to try to do it as a group.
Speaker B:So I don't have anybody yet that I wanted to start it.
Speaker B:But my goal is to, if I can get four or five people interested, then I will start with four or five people.
Speaker B:That's a good group size.
Speaker B:So something like that will probably.
Speaker B:But if you wanted to do it individually, I'd be willing to do that too.
Speaker B:So it doesn't have to just be in a group.
Speaker B:So the email as well is bloomworksccmx.com and I think that's the only.
Speaker B:Those are all the areas you can reach me.
Speaker B:I said Patreon is the best, the best way to reach me though, if you're gonna go to the website.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Because you're very active on Patreon.
Speaker A:When I was looking.
Speaker B:Well, I try, I try to post as much as I can.
Speaker B:I Have it.
Speaker B:The last few weeks I haven't done much, but I've done several blog posts.
Speaker B:I was doing like a blog post a week and then I was doing like a follow up video for a while.
Speaker B:I haven't continued that lately because I, I'm kind of thinking about relaunching some of my stuff, so just kind of finding a new way of doing it.
Speaker B:But yeah, there people can find, find me in there.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Thank you, thank you for that.
Speaker A:But yeah, I think this master class is really going to be beneficial for those who need it.
Speaker A:Um, because as, as we talked about with the, with the merging of the therapy and the coaching, I mean we, we keep them separate, but they do go hand in hand.
Speaker A:And I'm sure somebody's going to be able to find what, what God created them for or you know, not even that, but maybe the next level.
Speaker A:Because as we talked about seasons, sometimes there's, there's just a season for one thing and there's a season for another.
Speaker A:I mean, David is a prime example of that.
Speaker A:I mean, he did his fighting, he did his conquering.
Speaker A:And then after that, after, when things kind of got cool, he couldn't build the temple for God, but he ended up switching over and be able to collect the money for his son Solomon to be able to build that temple.
Speaker B:So yeah, the, and sometimes, you know, things like the coaching, I mean, gives people a little bit of an experience to kind of, you know, not, not truly what therapy is, but certainly gives you an experience to kind of look at.
Speaker B:Like I said, mental wellness is, is mostly a way to be able to acknowledge some of the things that maybe you want to grow in, but they, they're not necessarily in a therapeutic setting.
Speaker B:And again, you know, I guess when you're thinking about therapy, you know what, what the parameters of getting involved in therapy are more about it.
Speaker B:We talk about symptomologies and those are really where you want to consider that.
Speaker B:But if you just want personal development, personal growth, the master class would be a really good fit in that sense because it would just help you be able to develop more yourself.
Speaker B:So that's kind of the goal of that.
Speaker B:Like I said, it's not really designed to address specific symptomology, so to speak.
Speaker B:It's more about trying to help people in their overall wellness.
Speaker B:But like we were saying earlier, you know, that's really where they kind of were coaching and counseling sort of intersect, is that some people will choose to go see a therapist for personal development when maybe, you know, coaching might be A better fit for them in that sense, versus if you're seriously struggling with symptomology, then.
Speaker B:Then definitely working with a therapist, the professional therapist is much more of a.
Speaker B:Of a better option for you in that sense.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Thanks for correcting me.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:I just want to make sure everybody else knew kind of what it was, because that's just clarifying to the audience because.
Speaker B:Because sometimes it can.
Speaker B:It can be confusing.
Speaker B:Like, we were talking earlier.
Speaker B:Just don't want to make sure people.
Speaker B:Make sure people get a clear, Clear picture of it.
Speaker A:So we just talked about this, and I'm still.
Speaker A:I'm still.
Speaker A:I'm still merging the two things together.
Speaker A:And it's not.
Speaker A:And it's not.
Speaker A:They're not the same.
Speaker A:It's an apple and an orange.
Speaker B:They complement each other, but they are not.
Speaker B:Yeah, they're.
Speaker B:They're different in the sense that, like I said, they're not.
Speaker B:They're not designed to necessarily replace each other.
Speaker B:They're more of.
Speaker B:To complement where people are at sort of in their.
Speaker B:In their space.
Speaker B:And that's where I.
Speaker B:Going back to symptoms, that's what I was like saying.
Speaker B:Like.
Speaker B:Like, we measure symptomology to understand, you know, severity of things.
Speaker B:Obviously, if you're in a certain.
Speaker B:If you're having certain kinds of.
Speaker B:That, that's a different.
Speaker B:That's where professional therapy comes into play to help support that person.
Speaker B:But if you're in a position where, like, you're saying, hey, you know, I really want to.
Speaker B:You know, I just.
Speaker B:I feel like I'm a little bit lost.
Speaker B:I'm a little directionless.
Speaker B:I want to just get some things, you know, sorted out my mind or kind of grow in that way.
Speaker B:And there's not a lot of symptoms you're seeing, then that's really where the master class would be a really good fit because it addresses more of those.
Speaker B:Those types of things rather than necessarily about symptoms in that sense.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:Thanks for correcting me.
Speaker A:I know we just talked.
Speaker B:It's confusing.
Speaker B:There's a lot of things about that are not always clear, so I want to make sure.
Speaker B:I'm trying to.
Speaker B:I'm trying to be as clear I can with the audience as well.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:This is.
Speaker B:This is kind of where people are at.
Speaker A:So, yeah, yeah, I'm still learning, guys.
Speaker A:I'm still learning.
Speaker A:Patrick, I just want to thank you for taking the time to educate and to be able to correct me when I was incorrect, because it is important, especially in this type of field, to get it right as early as you can, because there's a lot that we're going through, and to be able to get the assistance is critical in order for people to be able to have a quality life.
Speaker B:Absolutely.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And then.
Speaker B:And if you're in a position, you know, speaking to anybody out there, you know, if there's any.
Speaker B:There's anything or your.
Speaker B:Any questions about that, you know, if there's any questions about kind of, you know, more questions by either the priority program are about, you know, looking at those different kind of things.
Speaker B:What's a better fit for you?
Speaker B:Coaching or counseling?
Speaker B:You know, feel free to let me know.
Speaker B:I'll be happy to answer those kind of things.
Speaker B:You know, I want to be a good resource.
Speaker B:I always feel like as a therapist, my goal as a coach, either way, like, if you wanted to work with me, awesome.
Speaker B:If you don't want to work with me, that's okay, too.
Speaker B:But I want to be able to be a good resource to help you get to the person who you do want to work with.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:And that also goes for the same kind of thing.
Speaker B:If I could be supportive of giving you some information to get you in the right track, right direction, that's what I'm here to do.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:So from that perspective, if anyone is interested in that, certainly feel free to reach out and do my best to answer the questions.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Patrick, thank you.
Speaker A:Thank you for joining me today.
Speaker A:Or join.
Speaker B:Thank you so much for having me.
Speaker B:Good conversation and.
