Episode 511

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1st Jun 2025

Pray Like a Pro: Beatty Carmichael Reveals the Keys to Divine Intervention

Beatty Carmichael drops some serious knowledge bombs today about how to pray for real freedom, and trust me, it’s not your typical “Dear God, please help me” kind of chat. We’re diving into the nitty-gritty of his book, *The Prayer of Freedom*, which reveals how to kick those pesky spiritual burdens to the curb. He’s all about that 90% healing rate, showing us how when we pray the right way, God actually shows up and does His thing. Spoiler alert: it turns out that how we pray matters way more than we think, and sometimes we gotta own up to our own messiness first. So, grab your headphones and get ready for a wild ride through prayer, healing, and maybe a little bit of sarcasm on the side!

Takeaways:

  • Beatty Carmichael emphasizes that prayer is not just about asking, it's about how you pray and your relationship with God.
  • The concept of repentance is crucial; it's not just a one-time act, but an ongoing process of seeking forgiveness and healing.
  • God's answers to prayer often depend on our obedience and our alignment with His will, which can sometimes mean we don't get what we ask for.
  • Beatty shares personal experiences showing that when people follow God's structured process for healing, miraculous results often occur.
  • The 'Prayer of Freedom' book provides practical steps on how to pray effectively for healing and freedom from spiritual bondage.
  • Understanding the spiritual roots of our issues can lead to significant breakthroughs in healing and personal freedom.

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Transcript
Speaker A:

Welcome back.

Speaker A:

My name is Ashley and this is the Black Sheep Christian Podcast.

Speaker A:

Today I have joining with us, the author of the Prayer of Freedom, Betty Carmichael.

Speaker A:

Thanks for joining us.

Speaker B:

Well, hello Ashley, and it's great to be here.

Speaker A:

I am looking forward to our conversation because this is a very interesting subject that is, I should say, visited and revisited many times.

Speaker A:

The Prayer of Freedom.

Speaker A:

Now that's the title of your book.

Speaker A:

But to pray, to be free of something is a conversation that's visited and revisited constantly.

Speaker B:

Correct.

Speaker B:

And this one is all about, if we could kind of give a nutshell overview.

Speaker B:

How do you pray where God miraculously intervenes and heals you 90% of the time?

Speaker B:

And that's what I've discovered.

Speaker B:

That's what the Lord's led me into.

Speaker B:

My work and ministry is built around that.

Speaker B:

And I see him healing all the time because we follow the process that his book says.

Speaker B:

So lots of people have prayed for healing.

Speaker B:

God done heal, pray for healing, God done healing.

Speaker B:

But when they do it the way that God says to do it, and a lot of us say, well, God will take any prayer.

Speaker B:

Well, that's.

Speaker B:

Why does he say the prayers of a righteous man will affect much.

Speaker B:

That means that the prayers of an unrighteous man won't.

Speaker B:

Why does he say pray believing that you've received and then it'll be happen to you?

Speaker B:

Because if you pray but you don't really believe, it won't happen, or why does he say, you did not choose me, but I chose you, that you might go and bear fruit and bear it abundantly and then you can ask my Father for anything in name and he'll give it to you.

Speaker B:

But that means if we are not bearing fruit, he won't give it what we've asked for as much.

Speaker B:

So we see throughout the Bible that there are qualifications on prayer that just because we pray doesn't mean God answers.

Speaker B:

Just because we're a Christian doesn't mean he answers our prayer.

Speaker B:

And even if he if we pray for something we think is his will, you know, John first, John five says, if we pray according to his will, then we know that he hears us.

Speaker B:

And if we know that he hears us, we know that we have the requests we've asked from him.

Speaker B:

So if we pray something and it doesn't happen, then most of us say, well, it must not have been God's will.

Speaker B:

But is that really what Scripture means?

Speaker B:

And what happens is we start to create these doctrines that aren't really tied directly to scripture.

Speaker B:

They're tied to what man Thinks that scripture should have be what it should means.

Speaker B:

And so now when we pray for healing, like, I'll give you a perfect example.

Speaker B:

I mean, like, might as well just jump right in on the topic, right?

Speaker B:

But I was, a couple months ago, I was doing a show and the host was a husband, wife, team, and the husband was named Josh.

Speaker B:

And Josh is one of these guys that he goes out and prays for people and he sees God heal from his prayer.

Speaker B:

So we would say, and I didn't clarify with him, but I think he was indicating that he has a gift of healing.

Speaker B:

So he prays.

Speaker B:

God heals quite, quite frequently.

Speaker B:

And he started to develop pretty consistent, very pain, very persistent pain in his hips and his knees over 10 years ago.

Speaker B:

And he would pray for himself and God wouldn't heal.

Speaker B:

He prayed for himself, God wouldn't heal.

Speaker B:

He'd go pray for someone else for their hip pain, and God would heal them.

Speaker B:

And after several years of praying, he just gave up praying.

Speaker B:

Said, must be God's will.

Speaker B:

I get on the show with him and I start to explain this.

Speaker B:

His wife says, well, what would you say to the skeptic who doesn't believe this?

Speaker B:

I said, well, I've never seen a skeptic with an issue that goes through this process that remains a skeptic because God heals when you do it his right.

Speaker B:

And so Josh said, well, I'll try.

Speaker B:

And he said, I've got this pain, and as I've had it for all these years, let's see if this works.

Speaker B:

I said, well, if it, if it disappears in the next five to ten minutes as I walk you through this, would you think that's a miracle?

Speaker B:

He said, absolutely.

Speaker B:

He said, I've been praying for years on this.

Speaker B:

Nothing's ever happened.

Speaker B:

So in less than 10 minutes, all the pain's instantly gone.

Speaker B:

And what that shows is God has a way of doing things, and if we don't do it his way, then he doesn't do what he says he will do if he does, if we do it his way.

Speaker B:

So that's a real quick jump into.

Speaker B:

I didn't mean to jump quite so hard into that, but.

Speaker B:

No, but yeah, people pray for things and they think that all prayers the same, but it's not.

Speaker A:

You know, it's interesting that you bring that up because I had a conversation with a student today, and in that conversation, it isn't.

Speaker A:

It is.

Speaker A:

It's not what we pray for, it's how we pray for.

Speaker A:

And I'm thinking about the disciples in which they Said Jesus, how should.

Speaker A:

What.

Speaker A:

How should we pray?

Speaker A:

What is this structure?

Speaker A:

And so, of course, with.

Speaker A:

And then Jesus moves on to, you know, be my, you know, my Father, kingdom come, you know, all that fun stuff.

Speaker A:

But.

Speaker A:

But with that statement, that solidifies that it's not.

Speaker A:

What, Because God.

Speaker A:

Because the scripture says we.

Speaker A:

We can come to him with whatever.

Speaker A:

No, it doesn't matter how small or how large.

Speaker A:

But really, it's all about asking or seeking the right things.

Speaker B:

Yes.

Speaker B:

Um, and it goes a little bit deeper.

Speaker B:

So all of us can pray to God.

Speaker B:

And God always hears the prayer.

Speaker B:

He doesn't always respond the way we hear, the way you hear that we want him to.

Speaker B:

What happens a lot of times is there are issues that are going on that are not merely a request.

Speaker B:

So do you have children?

Speaker A:

I do.

Speaker B:

Okay, so one of your child, let's say little child at the time, comes up and says, mommy, I want a lollipop.

Speaker B:

And you go, I'd love to give you one.

Speaker B:

So you give your child a lollipop.

Speaker B:

And so now just a simple request and a simple response, because there's no reason not to give the lollipop.

Speaker B:

But now let's change the scenario.

Speaker B:

And the scenario is, little Susie, when you clean your room, you can ask me for a lollipop and I'll give you a lollipop.

Speaker B:

And so she doesn't clean her room, and she comes and says, can I have a lollipop?

Speaker B:

Say no.

Speaker B:

She's asking the same thing, can I have a lollipop?

Speaker B:

No.

Speaker B:

Why not?

Speaker B:

You haven't cleaned your room.

Speaker B:

So then she goes, cleans the room, comes back and asks you for lollipop, and then you give her lollipop.

Speaker B:

In other words, it's not the lollipop that's the issue.

Speaker B:

The issue is the first time she requested something, but you put no parameters on how you're going to give a lollipop.

Speaker B:

She just wanted one, and you just happen to have one, so you gave it.

Speaker B:

But in the second scenario, you made it very clear that the lollipop is going to come after you've cleaned your room.

Speaker B:

So if we're to ask for a lollipop but we haven't cleaned our room, then it's not that.

Speaker B:

It's not your will that your daughter doesn't have a lollipop.

Speaker B:

What it's.

Speaker B:

What's the higher will is that your daughter obeys you first and then you'll grant her the lollipop.

Speaker B:

Does that make sense?

Speaker A:

It does.

Speaker A:

It does make perfect sense.

Speaker A:

It almost reminds Me of.

Speaker A:

And I.

Speaker A:

And this could be.

Speaker A:

You can correct me if I'm wrong.

Speaker A:

This could be the wrong example.

Speaker A:

But it reminds me of in Matthew, if I remember correct, Jesus and the rich man, rich man says, I've done all these things and I want to follow you.

Speaker A:

What do I need to do?

Speaker A:

And he says, get rid of your, your, well, you know, get rid of your items and then come follow.

Speaker A:

But there's no follow up.

Speaker A:

There's just disappointment and he walks away.

Speaker A:

And Jesus and what I find that's one of my favorite encounters with Jesus isn't the fact that the man asked and he gave him an answer is that there was no follow up.

Speaker A:

Jesus didn't say, oh, if you do this, you'll be saved.

Speaker A:

If you don't do like, there's no follow up.

Speaker A:

He just allows him to go, yeah.

Speaker B:

You know, this is what happens with God.

Speaker B:

God makes it very clear what he wants us to do and then it's up to us to follow it or not.

Speaker B:

You know, the thing I love about.

Speaker B:

I'm sure you probably watched the chosen before, but if you watch how the disciples respond to Jesus, they take his word at his word and they take it at his word.

Speaker B:

When he says it one time, he doesn't have to keep repeating, he doesn't have to keep following up.

Speaker B:

When he says it, he means it.

Speaker B:

And that's what they act on and that's the way it is.

Speaker B:

We see this even in the Bible.

Speaker B:

Years back, King David, the Ark of the Covenant, had been stolen and taken away by the Pharisees, by the Philistines.

Speaker B:

And then they kept having all these tumors and death and disease, so they sent it back and when it came back, David received it.

Speaker B:

This was just at the beginning of David's reign.

Speaker B:

And he's all excited.

Speaker B:

So they put it on an ox cart and they start bringing it back to Jerusalem.

Speaker B:

And the cart stumbled and I think his name is.

Speaker B:

It's not Phineas, it's one of the other.

Speaker B:

Yeah, yeah, he won the.

Speaker B:

The priest sons puts his hand on the cart to stabilize it and God strikes him down dead.

Speaker A:

Yes.

Speaker B:

Why?

Speaker B:

Because hundreds of years earlier, God said to move my ark, you use golden.

Speaker B:

You know, you go laden poles and you carry it.

Speaker B:

You never put it on a cart.

Speaker B:

I mean, he didn't say never put on the cart, but he gave us instructions.

Speaker B:

David had forgotten about that.

Speaker B:

But God doesn't say, well, since you forgot, I'm going to change how I do things.

Speaker B:

No, God does his things his way.

Speaker B:

And it's our responsibility to obey.

Speaker B:

And watch this.

Speaker B:

This is not a trick question, but it's a difficult question because most people won't get it.

Speaker B:

What was the primary message Jesus came preaching for us to do?

Speaker A:

To love?

Speaker A:

Oh, Lord, I need to work them to obey.

Speaker B:

Close.

Speaker B:

The preaching is to obey what he preaches, and that is to repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.

Speaker B:

That's the gospel message.

Speaker B:

To repent for the kingdom of heaven is handed.

Speaker B:

So he says it only a couple of times, and then he doesn't say it anymore.

Speaker B:

Then he tells the dis.

Speaker B:

He tells all the parables and teaches the stories, and he does miracles.

Speaker B:

And we only see a couple, you know, once or twice, but yet we see this idea of sin being the root of so many issues in our lives on a consistent basis throughout the Bible, but yet we never really give much credence to it because.

Speaker B:

Right.

Speaker B:

You know, I believed in Jesus 20 years ago.

Speaker B:

I repented.

Speaker B:

Then all my sins are forgiven.

Speaker B:

Past, present, future.

Speaker B:

Why do I have to repent to them?

Speaker B:

Does that make sense?

Speaker B:

Most of us won't repent.

Speaker B:

They don't.

Speaker B:

We don't just naturally repent because we go, well, my sins are forgiven.

Speaker B:

That's true.

Speaker B:

But are they really?

Speaker B:

That's the question.

Speaker B:

Are they really?

Speaker B:

And what does it mean that they've been forgiven?

Speaker B:

So can I ask you a few deep theological questions?

Speaker B:

All right.

Speaker B:

Because I think you like these.

Speaker B:

You've repented and believed in Jesus at some point in your life, right?

Speaker B:

Okay.

Speaker A:

Yes.

Speaker A:

Well.

Speaker A:

Well, that's the first thing.

Speaker A:

When you accept Jesus in your heart, that's one of the first things that is introduced.

Speaker B:

Yeah, perfect.

Speaker B:

And have your sins been forgiven?

Speaker A:

Technically, yes.

Speaker A:

Even before I repented.

Speaker B:

Oh, you're even deeper than I realize.

Speaker B:

Good, good, good job.

Speaker B:

Most people.

Speaker B:

Most people miss that.

Speaker B:

Okay, so are all of your sins forgiven?

Speaker A:

Yes.

Speaker B:

Because even the ones you haven't.

Speaker B:

Haven't committed yet.

Speaker A:

Yes, because for one, Jesus died on the cross for our sins.

Speaker B:

Okay.

Speaker A:

Two, grace, mercy.

Speaker A:

Those come into play, right?

Speaker A:

For present and future and past.

Speaker A:

You know, for.

Speaker A:

For all three stages of one's life.

Speaker B:

All right, so now the plot thickens.

Speaker A:

Oh, boy.

Speaker B:

So watch this, okay?

Speaker B:

We're talking about the Lord's Prayer.

Speaker B:

That's what you're trying to verbalize on that.

Speaker B:

So our sins have been forgiven.

Speaker B:

Past, present, and future.

Speaker B:

Why then does Jesus say pray like this?

Speaker B:

Our Father who art in heaven.

Speaker B:

The James King.

Speaker B:

King James Version Hallowed be thy name.

Speaker B:

Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven.

Speaker B:

Give us this day our daily bread.

Speaker B:

Forgive us our sins as we forgive those who sinned against us.

Speaker B:

Why are we to ask God to forgive our sins if he's already forgiven them?

Speaker B:

Does that mean he's an, we'll call it the term Indian giver.

Speaker B:

Does that mean that he actually doesn't forgive our sins or there's a qualification, he only forgives our sins if we've forgiven others.

Speaker B:

That means our sins are no longer forgiven if we don't forgive someone else.

Speaker B:

Is that what that means?

Speaker B:

Does that mean that our sins really aren't forgiven?

Speaker B:

Why do we have to forgive, you know, ask him to forgive our sins as we forgive those who sinned against us?

Speaker A:

I think that's more of a heart transaction, more.

Speaker A:

Not a transaction, more of a checkup.

Speaker A:

Because that really isn't for God.

Speaker A:

Because Jesus and God.

Speaker A:

Jesus did that work already.

Speaker B:

Well, okay, so this is, this is the conundrum.

Speaker B:

Because he did the work already.

Speaker B:

Because we repented when we believed in Jesus and asked him into our life.

Speaker B:

Most people don't repent of their sins thereafter.

Speaker B:

They're already forgiven.

Speaker B:

Right.

Speaker B:

Let me ask you, do you have a consistent process of always repenting of every sin you ever do?

Speaker B:

No, of course not.

Speaker B:

Most people don't.

Speaker A:

And sometimes I send and you don't even know it.

Speaker A:

Know it?

Speaker B:

Yeah.

Speaker B:

Or you've grown numb to it and so it doesn't even recognize resonate as a sin.

Speaker B:

But yet Jesus said to repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.

Speaker B:

Then he tells us to ask guest, your father, to forgive you your sins.

Speaker B:

What in the world is going on?

Speaker B:

So let me see if I can peel this onion back.

Speaker B:

Get pretty theological but simplistic with you for a second.

Speaker B:

So we are a spirit, soul and body.

Speaker B:

And my simplistic understanding is, is that each of those three parts of us operate in different heavens.

Speaker B:

You know, remember Paul said, I know a man who once went to the third heaven.

Speaker B:

So what's the third heaven?

Speaker B:

What's the second heaven?

Speaker B:

If there's a third.

Speaker B:

And then what's the first?

Speaker B:

So Hebrew culture, my understanding on this is that they, they looked at the, the atmosphere where we live.

Speaker B:

I'll call it the earthly realm as the first heaven.

Speaker B:

The second heaven would be where the, is a spiritual realm.

Speaker B:

But this is where the evil spirits operate a lot.

Speaker B:

And there's sin in the second heaven.

Speaker B:

Then the third heaven is where God dwells and there is no sin there.

Speaker B:

So our spirit, soul and body, the way I, I believe I've Got this, right?

Speaker B:

Yeah.

Speaker B:

And so we're piecing things together into scripture that's not clear and specific.

Speaker B:

So I'm not making a doctrine out.

Speaker B:

This is kind of the working format to understand a lot of these truths.

Speaker B:

I want to share on this call is our spirit is in the third heaven because our spirit is.

Speaker B:

It says that when you in the new covenant, God promises to unite his spirit with your spirit.

Speaker B:

So when they're united, they're one.

Speaker B:

Which means my spirit is the spirit of God because it's united with them.

Speaker B:

And if my spirit is the spirit of God, there is no sin there.

Speaker B:

So all of my sins are forgiven in my spirit.

Speaker B:

But then I move down to my soul.

Speaker B:

My soul operates.

Speaker B:

I believe in the second heaven.

Speaker B:

The second heaven is the part of the spiritual world that interacts with the earthly realm, with the first heaven.

Speaker B:

Do you believe in demons?

Speaker B:

That they exist?

Speaker A:

Oh, yeah.

Speaker B:

Okay.

Speaker B:

So they don't exist in heaven.

Speaker B:

They are not in the earthly realm like you and me, flesh and blood.

Speaker B:

So they exist in a different realm.

Speaker B:

That's the second heaven.

Speaker B:

They interact within their earthly realm.

Speaker B:

And have you ever had a sinful thought in your mind?

Speaker A:

Oh, yeah.

Speaker B:

Okay.

Speaker B:

So your mind is in your soul.

Speaker B:

It's not in your body.

Speaker B:

Your mind is spiritual.

Speaker B:

Your thoughts are spiritual.

Speaker B:

And so if your mind has sin, that means that it cannot be in the third heaven because there is no sin in the third heaven.

Speaker B:

So your mind is in the second heaven where sin dwells.

Speaker B:

This is why demonic spirits, evil spirits, can put evil can mess with your thoughts.

Speaker B:

This is why we can have our own bad thoughts.

Speaker B:

And then the first heaven is this physical body of ours and everything that we actually see, hear and feel and experience.

Speaker B:

So when our sins have been forgiven for relationship with God, I perceive that to be in the spirit, but not in the flesh.

Speaker B:

And for us to be conformed to the image of God.

Speaker B:

See, people say, well, I'm made in the image of God.

Speaker B:

No, you're not.

Speaker B:

Because Romans 8:29 says, We've been predestined to be conformed to the image of God's Son.

Speaker B:

And it says in Hebrew that God's son is the exact imprint of God himself.

Speaker B:

In other words, God's son is the image of God.

Speaker B:

And if we're to be conformed into the image of God, that means we're not in his image.

Speaker B:

Now is this deep.

Speaker B:

Following me.

Speaker B:

I see you following me.

Speaker A:

Yeah, yeah.

Speaker B:

Okay.

Speaker A:

If my eyes are away, that's because I'm writing a.

Speaker A:

Writing a good quote, a good Nugget.

Speaker B:

Yeah.

Speaker B:

So.

Speaker B:

So we see in Genesis that when Adam had Seth, it said Seth was made in Adam's likeness in his image, not in God's likeness and image.

Speaker B:

So what this shows is that while Adam was made in the image of God, it said God made man in his image, male and female.

Speaker B:

He made him, by the way.

Speaker B:

Here's trivia.

Speaker B:

Adam was both male and female because female came out of him.

Speaker B:

Right?

Speaker A:

Right.

Speaker B:

So.

Speaker B:

So when God made Adam, he made Adam in the exact representation, the exact image of God, which is male and female, and then separated them into man and woman.

Speaker B:

And so that was the image of God.

Speaker B:

But then when Adam sinned, he lost the image of God.

Speaker B:

The image of God is without sin.

Speaker B:

We have sin.

Speaker B:

That's the.

Speaker B:

So now we're in the image of fallen man.

Speaker B:

So watch this.

Speaker B:

Sin did two things.

Speaker B:

Sin broke our relationship with God.

Speaker B:

That's why Adam hid.

Speaker B:

And sin broke our image of God.

Speaker A:

Right.

Speaker B:

So Jesus came to restore all that was lost.

Speaker B:

What was lost is relationship and image.

Speaker B:

So when we believe in Jesus, reconfess our sins up front, then that restores our relationship with God.

Speaker B:

Because now we're born again in the spiritual world, but our body isn't born again yet because it's still the earthly body.

Speaker B:

And so we have no sin to block us in the spirit.

Speaker B:

God sees us in spirit, and when he sees us in spirit through Christ, there is no sin.

Speaker B:

But yet in the body, there is still sin throughout.

Speaker B:

Romans.

Speaker B:

Romans 5, 6, I think, or 6 and 7.

Speaker B:

Somewhere in there, it talks about, do not submit the members of your body to sin as instruments of unrighteousness, but submit your members to God as instruments of righteousness.

Speaker B:

Is God a being or is God a verb?

Speaker B:

Is he a noun or a verb?

Speaker B:

See, a person, place, or thing.

Speaker B:

A noun is a person, place, or thing.

Speaker B:

Okay.

Speaker B:

A verb is an action.

Speaker B:

Right?

Speaker A:

Right.

Speaker B:

God is a noun.

Speaker B:

Watch this.

Speaker B:

This will blow your mind.

Speaker A:

That's.

Speaker A:

That's why I was like, okay, where are we going?

Speaker A:

Because I've always felt he was a noun.

Speaker A:

He's a person.

Speaker B:

He is a noun.

Speaker B:

Now watch this.

Speaker B:

If we're supposed to submit our members to God, God in righteousness, and not submit our members to sin and unrighteousness, that means that sin is a noun, it's not an action.

Speaker B:

In fact, if you look through the book of Romans, sin is used 47 times.

Speaker B:

45 times.

Speaker B:

It's a noun, meaning it's a person, place, or thing.

Speaker B:

It's an entity that lives within us.

Speaker B:

It's not part of us.

Speaker B:

This is what Paul says In Romans, Romans 7, that sin, when I do the things I do not want to do, it's no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells within me.

Speaker B:

Sin is not part of us.

Speaker B:

It dwells within us.

Speaker B:

Sin is like a cancer.

Speaker B:

The cancer isn't me, but if I have cancer, it can kill me because it's another.

Speaker B:

It's another thing growing within me, destroying me.

Speaker A:

Wow.

Speaker A:

My mind is like.

Speaker A:

There's a whole universe that's forming inside of me.

Speaker B:

Yeah.

Speaker B:

So I haven't even gotten.

Speaker B:

I'm just trying to set the foundation to touch on the subject.

Speaker A:

I'm just.

Speaker A:

I just feel like you gave me a feast and there's so much on the plate.

Speaker A:

I don't know where to start with.

Speaker A:

So.

Speaker B:

So let me show you something real quick.

Speaker B:

Let me see if I.

Speaker B:

If my.

Speaker B:

Oh, God gives me enough room.

Speaker B:

Okay, so I want to share where all of this starts to be found.

Speaker B:

I'll give you my quick backstory to give you the understanding of this book.

Speaker B:

I'm going to share.

Speaker B:

I grew up in a legalistic church, and eye for an eye, tooth for tooth, was basically what they practiced.

Speaker B:

They said, we love you, but there really wasn't love.

Speaker B:

It was legalistic.

Speaker B:

And also with that, they didn't believe in any of the supernatural stuff.

Speaker B:

For today, the supernatural gifts.

Speaker B:

God can heal, but he normally doesn't.

Speaker B:

God can speak to you, but he normally doesn't.

Speaker B:

You know, he.

Speaker B:

He has stopped speaking.

Speaker B:

It's always in his word now.

Speaker B:

So then eight and a half years ago, the Lord gave me a gift of healing.

Speaker B:

I started praying for people, and they were instantly healed.

Speaker B:

It started at 1 out of 1/3 of everyone I prayed for were healed.

Speaker B:

And within a year, 90 of everyone I prayed for was instantly healed.

Speaker B:

I went to my church, my.

Speaker B:

And this is a mega church, 5,000 members.

Speaker B:

And I went to my senior pastor and said, hey, guys, healing through my hands.

Speaker B:

He said, no, he done healing more.

Speaker B:

That's, you know, Satan can heal too.

Speaker B:

So then I go to my next senior pastor, and his first words were literally, well, you know, Satan can heal too.

Speaker B:

You're just being deceived.

Speaker B:

So I realized, if they missed the mark on that, what else have they missed?

Speaker B:

And that gave me great doubt in whatever I was believing to be true.

Speaker B:

That they told me was true from the pulpit, I could no longer trust, because if they.

Speaker B:

If they considered Satan to be healing through me.

Speaker B:

When I was praying for people and I was praying for them and sharing The Gospel, if they didn't have, then, no, Jesus says, no, this isn't Satan, you know, then what else have they told me that was a lie?

Speaker B:

So I made a conscious decision to not believe any word that man said about God, about His Word, or about what the Bible means.

Speaker B:

I, I didn't jettison it, but I no longer considered the doctrines that I believed to be authoritative doctrines.

Speaker B:

I instead went to God's Word and I restudied every single doctrine that were the critical things in my life to see what the Bible said and forget about what man said.

Speaker B:

And I started to take a deep dive and the Lord started to tell me to focus only on His Word.

Speaker B:

So I stopped reading all commentaries and stuff like that and just to allow his spirit to reveal to me what His Word meant and don't get what His Word meant filtered through man's intellect and man's wisdom of what they think it means.

Speaker B:

Because when you start to get into commentaries, then everyone's reading all these commentaries and so you have almost like incest, it just keeps building.

Speaker B:

So if there's a falsity or, or something untrue or an error, it just keeps building into its own doctrine and you lose the word of God.

Speaker B:

So as I started to go into God's Word, he started to reveal to me that I could just speak out loud and he would put his words in my mouth and he started to give me almost like a ticker tape in my mind's eye.

Speaker B:

As I would speak out, I would read a passage, something would stand out, and so I would speak it out into a text to text, voice to text system, and start taking notes that he's giving me.

Speaker B:

And I called them nuggets.

Speaker B:

And then after five and a half years of this, he told me to publish them into a book.

Speaker B:

So all the stuff that I'm telling you that, you know, kind of blowing your mind at the beginning is all the things that the Lord was revealing to me.

Speaker B:

And this is the book.

Speaker B:

It's called Nuggets of Faith.

Speaker B:

You can find it on Amazon, but it's the blue cover with.

Speaker B:

You see my right behind me, the, the photo that.

Speaker B:

The plumb line.

Speaker B:

And the idea with the plumb line is the deeper you go into God's Word, you can plummet as far as you go, but it never reaches the bottom.

Speaker B:

And once you start to take that deep dive and understand the, the depthness, depthness of God's Word, God's Word start ceases to be printed on paper and starts to be printed in A figurative sense on a p, on a sheet of glass.

Speaker B:

Where as you're reading his word, the dimensions of truth of what it's really saying, you can see all the way through the words, deep down below the words and see the underlying truth that it's really articulating.

Speaker B:

And that's what I was sharing with you.

Speaker B:

Just some of these simple concepts.

Speaker B:

I know they're deep, but they're simple in understanding.

Speaker B:

How does this process of walking in Christ really work?

Speaker B:

And why are we supposed to say, God, please forgive us our sins as we forgive our others who've sinned against us?

Speaker B:

Which is ties into.

Speaker B:

Why do we pray for healing?

Speaker B:

And God doesn't heal all that often, but yet why?

Speaker B:

When I lead people to pray for healing, 90% of the time, they're instantly healed within minutes from glaucoma.

Speaker B:

Diabetes takes a little bit and took a little bit longer.

Speaker B:

All kinds of anxiety, chronic pains, broken bones, all kinds of things.

Speaker B:

When there's a spiritual root at the bottom of it, and I'll show you in scripture where this comes from, then all we have to do is reverse that spiritual root and God literally miraculously intervenes.

Speaker B:

And that's kind of where I was going.

Speaker B:

Not all prayers the same, just like with your daughter.

Speaker B:

Clean your room, I'll give you a lollipop.

Speaker B:

She done clean the room.

Speaker B:

You asked for a lollipop, you're not going to give it to her.

Speaker B:

Why you want her to have a lollipop, but more important, you want her to obey you.

Speaker B:

And God's word when he came to earth is to repent.

Speaker B:

And he wants us to repent, and there's a reason we were sick.

Speaker B:

So can I go into the reasons why we're sick or you got some follow up on any of this first?

Speaker A:

No, no, I don't have any reasons.

Speaker A:

I know why I'm sick.

Speaker A:

Because we send.

Speaker A:

And he's like, you know what, we're gonna start at step one all over again.

Speaker B:

Yeah.

Speaker B:

So let me give you just some, some scriptures.

Speaker A:

Okay.

Speaker B:

All right, so I'll go.

Speaker B:

Go through these fast.

Speaker B:

Deuteronomy:

Speaker B:

This is when Israel is going into the promised land and God is giving the final instructions.

Speaker B:

Here's what it says.

Speaker B:

If you do not carefully follow all the words of this law which are written in this book, and do not revere this glorious and awesome name, the Lord your God.

Speaker B:

In other words, if you sin against God, he told you what to do.

Speaker B:

This is not.

Speaker B:

I'm not talking about the 613 Jewish laws.

Speaker B:

You got to do this and all these little nitpicks.

Speaker B:

It's the law of righteousness is basically what he's talking about.

Speaker B:

Then if you sin against God, then the Lord will send fearful plagues on you and your descendants.

Speaker B:

Plagues bad, harsh and prolonged disasters and severe and lingering illnesses.

Speaker B:

He will bring on you all the diseases of Egypt that you dreaded, and they will cling to you.

Speaker B:

The Lord will also bring on you every kind of sickness and disaster not recorded in this book of the law.

Speaker B:

In other words, in simple terms, if you sin, God is going to discipline you by bringing sickness on you that's going to cling to you.

Speaker B:

So it's persistent sickness, cancer, arthritis, fibromyalgia, all kinds of other issues or.

Speaker B:

And he's going to bring disaster.

Speaker B:

So everything keeps falling apart in your life, falling apart.

Speaker B:

You know, one relationship after another, one job after another, abuse after another, whatever it is, all these things start happening.

Speaker B:

Here's the second, and there's tons of these.

Speaker B:

You can, if you.

Speaker B:

If you went through the Bible and looked at anytime there's a sickness, a illness or disaster or anything like that, and it gives the reason why that reason is always sin.

Speaker B:

So here's another one.

Speaker B:

King David.

Speaker B:

This is Psalm 32, 1:4:1.

Speaker B:

The fifth verse is really good, but I'm just reading.

Speaker B:

I'll just truncate this.

Speaker B:

Oh, what joy those whose disobedience is forgiven, whose sin is put out of sight.

Speaker B:

Yes, what joy for those whose record the Lord has cleared of guilt, whose lives are lived in complete honesty.

Speaker B:

But now we are in verse three.

Speaker B:

When I refused to confess my sin, my body wasted away.

Speaker B:

And I groaned all day long, day and night.

Speaker B:

Your hand of discipline was heavy on me.

Speaker B:

My strength evaporated like water in the summer heat.

Speaker B:

Then verse five says.

Speaker B:

Verse five and six says, and I confess my sin, and then you heal me.

Speaker B:

Then we have in John 5, Jesus is at this pool, and there's this lame man, and he's been lame for 38 years.

Speaker B:

Jesus says, do you want to be healed?

Speaker B:

He says, well, I've got no one that puts me in the pool.

Speaker B:

Remember that.

Speaker B:

So Jesus says, well, stand up, take up your mat and go home.

Speaker B:

And he's instantly healed.

Speaker B:

Everyone goes, oh, wow.

Speaker B:

And do you remember?

Speaker B:

Jesus finds that man in the temple later that day.

Speaker B:

And do you remember what Jesus said to him?

Speaker B:

This is going to clarify this one thing that's strange that no one can figure out.

Speaker B:

He says, go and sin no more, that nothing worse may happen.

Speaker B:

To you see, Jesus is saying that the reason for his lameness was because of his own sin.

Speaker B:

And if he sins again in that way, even worse things will happen.

Speaker B:

Then people say, well, you know, that's only for non Christians.

Speaker B:

We're under the new covenant.

Speaker B:

We've been made new, and we're under the blood of Jesus.

Speaker B:

All of our sins are forgiven, which is true.

Speaker B:

We've already talked about that.

Speaker B:

But why do we have to say forgive our sins if our sins are forgiven?

Speaker B:

Because there's a difference between being forgiven for reconciliation versus our sins being forgiven for image and we're, and God is restoring both because that's why he says back in Romans 8:29, we've been predestined, which means before ordained and predetermined that we should be conformed to the image of God.

Speaker B:

How are we not in his image because of sin?

Speaker B:

How do we conform to his image?

Speaker B:

We get rid of sin.

Speaker B:

How do we get rid of sin?

Speaker B:

You confess.

Speaker B:

Let me tell you a story before I go to these next two.

Speaker B:

Satan is called the accuser of the Brethren.

Speaker B:

Remember that?

Speaker B:

Do you recall that name?

Speaker B:

All right, yeah.

Speaker B:

So if you, if, if you read through the Scriptures.

Speaker B:

No, it's, it's going to be somewhere in the New Testament.

Speaker B:

I, I don't recall scripture references as well as I recall the truths of Scripture.

Speaker B:

But he's called the accuser of the brethren, among other things.

Speaker B:

He's also the great dragon and the deceiver and all these things.

Speaker B:

But as the accuser of the brethren, what that means is he's the chief prosecutor.

Speaker B:

So think about a court law.

Speaker B:

I, I, I'm caught speeding or criminally speeding, right?

Speaker B:

So then I go to court and there's a, the Attorney general or one of his associates that's now prosecuting me.

Speaker B:

He's the prosecuting attorney and he's accusing me of breaking the law.

Speaker B:

My job is to defend myself.

Speaker B:

If I can't defend myself, then I pay the penalty.

Speaker B:

And if I never show up in court, I'm judged guilty by default.

Speaker B:

Okay, so what happens is Satan is the accuser of the Brethren, and the only thing he can accuse us of is sin.

Speaker B:

This is why if we go back to Job one and God says to Satan, what do you think of my servant Job?

Speaker B:

He's a blameless and righteous man.

Speaker B:

You remember what's what Satan says to Job?

Speaker A:

No, but it was basically a bet almost.

Speaker B:

Joe.

Speaker B:

First off, Satan is upset.

Speaker B:

He says he only loves you because you won't let me touch him.

Speaker B:

You put A hedge around him.

Speaker B:

Have you ever heard of a hedge of protection?

Speaker B:

Yes, the concept.

Speaker B:

That's where it comes from, the hedge of protection.

Speaker B:

Because God had a hedge of protection around Job, and because that hedge was there, Satan was unable to attack him.

Speaker B:

He was able to attack anyone else, but not Job.

Speaker B:

Why was he unable to attack.

Speaker B:

To attack Job?

Speaker A:

Well, because of his heart.

Speaker A:

But I'm also thinking, like, God gave him rules on how to attack him.

Speaker A:

He was like, you can do.

Speaker B:

Oh, no.

Speaker B:

So that.

Speaker B:

That.

Speaker B:

That's a.

Speaker B:

So he did.

Speaker B:

Because there was nothing that Satan could accuse him of.

Speaker B:

So watch this.

Speaker B:

If you go back there, it says, God says, have you considered my servant Job?

Speaker B:

He is a blameless and righteous man.

Speaker B:

What does blameless mean?

Speaker A:

Like, there's nothing to accuse.

Speaker B:

Right.

Speaker B:

You're without blame.

Speaker B:

Nothing that you can be accused of.

Speaker A:

Yeah.

Speaker B:

If Satan can only accuse us of sin, then does that mean that Job was without sin?

Speaker B:

Was he perfectly sinless?

Speaker A:

Oh, wow.

Speaker A:

Okay.

Speaker A:

Because Job is before Jesus.

Speaker B:

Before Jesus, but he's from the line of Adam.

Speaker A:

Right.

Speaker B:

So does that mean that he was without sin?

Speaker B:

Oh, for him to be blameless.

Speaker A:

Well, if we think about contacts.

Speaker A:

Oh, my gosh, my brain is falling apart.

Speaker A:

Because back then you had to sacrifice if you did sin.

Speaker B:

Oh, oh, now you got it.

Speaker B:

Watch this.

Speaker B:

So here's what we find.

Speaker B:

In Job 1, verses 4 and 5 says that when the children would go and celebrate their birthdays and party, in verse 4 and 5, it says that Job, after the feast, would sacrifice for each of his children in case they cursed God in their heart.

Speaker B:

In other words, he's bringing sacrifice in case they sinned against God.

Speaker B:

So we see the pattern.

Speaker B:

If he's doing that for his children, we know that he continues that same pattern for himself.

Speaker B:

And since he's constantly sacrificing for sin, he's blameless.

Speaker B:

Because sin, the sacrifice, gets rid of the sin.

Speaker B:

That's the whole purpose, that the blood is shed on your behalf for that sin.

Speaker B:

That's the idea of Jesus shedding his blood for our sin.

Speaker B:

So what we see is Satan could not attack Job because he was blameless.

Speaker B:

There was nothing to blame him on because the sacrifices that he continually did kept sin away.

Speaker B:

Now, let me fast forward to today and share another example.

Speaker B:

My son, he goes by my name, Beatty Jr.

Speaker B:

When he was about 19 or 20, the Lord said, I want to show you something.

Speaker B:

And he took him up into the heavenly courtroom.

Speaker B:

And my son was saying, to his right, he saw God the Father upon a dais as the judge.

Speaker B:

And to his left was a demon spirit accusing him of sins.

Speaker B:

And I stopped my son and said, well, hold on.

Speaker B:

Were he.

Speaker B:

Was he lying on those sins or was he being truthful?

Speaker B:

Because I've always thought, you know, everyone's.

Speaker B:

This is man's doctrine that comes up.

Speaker B:

Satan's a liar.

Speaker B:

He's always a liar.

Speaker B:

He lies on everything.

Speaker B:

And so do the demons.

Speaker B:

They don't lie to God.

Speaker B:

They lie to us, but not God.

Speaker B:

And my son said, no, every one of those sins was absolutely 100 true, because demons do not lie to God.

Speaker B:

Keep in mind, this is the attorney, the prosecuting attorney, prosecuting and trying to convict of sin, my son.

Speaker B:

That's the courtroom.

Speaker B:

That's why you have a heavenly courtroom.

Speaker B:

And then the Lord leans over to Beatty and says, plead the blood of Jesus.

Speaker B:

So my son says, God, I plead the blood of Jesus.

Speaker B:

And instantly the demon disappeared.

Speaker B:

Because what happens is when you plead the blood of Jesus, that is the appropriating the blood over those sins, and it does away with the sin.

Speaker B:

My sins have been washed clean, like the song says.

Speaker B:

So the demon spirit disappears, because now there's nothing to accuse my son of.

Speaker B:

That's repentance.

Speaker B:

When we repent, we're applying the blood of Jesus to those sins.

Speaker B:

And now those sins are removed.

Speaker B:

When we don't apply it, then.

Speaker B:

And most of us don't even show up in court.

Speaker B:

Most of us never defend ourselves because we'd never repent because of that.

Speaker B:

We're.

Speaker B:

We're judged.

Speaker B:

Not eternal judgment of damnation, but we're judged in the flesh.

Speaker B:

Watch this.

Speaker B:

Matthew 18, the parable of the unmerciful servant.

Speaker B:

Here's the backstory.

Speaker B:

Jesus is talking about forgiveness, and Peter comes up and says, lord, how many times should I forgive my brother who sins against me?

Speaker B:

Up to seven times.

Speaker B:

The reason this, that was really out of the norm is because the Jewish culture is very legalistic.

Speaker B:

Eye for an eye, tooth for tooth.

Speaker B:

So if someone sinned against you, it's your right to go strike them down, to hit them back or whatever.

Speaker B:

And so Peter thought he was being really gracious and loving to forgive him up to seven times.

Speaker B:

And then Jesus corrects him.

Speaker B:

He says, no, Peter, not seven times, but 70 times seven, meaning perfection.

Speaker B:

You always forgive.

Speaker B:

And then he says, the kingdom of heaven is like this.

Speaker B:

And he tells a parable.

Speaker B:

There is a master or a king that represents God who has a servant who owes him 75 talents of gold, which in today's money is over $20 billion.

Speaker B:

And the guy couldn't pay so the king said, I'm going to throw you in jail with all your family and everything else until you pay.

Speaker B:

No, please don't.

Speaker B:

I promise I'll pay it.

Speaker B:

So out of compassion, the king forgives him the debt that he could never have repaid.

Speaker B:

That servant goes to his little servant, who only owes him a hundred denarii, about $10,000 in today's money, and says, pay me or else.

Speaker B:

I can't, but I promise I will.

Speaker B:

Nope, if you can't do it now, into prison you go until your debt is fully paid.

Speaker B:

So his friends go and tell the king.

Speaker B:

The king comes back to the big servant, says, you wicked, unmerciful servant.

Speaker B:

I forgave you your debt.

Speaker B:

Shouldn't you have forgiven him his?

Speaker B:

Because you didn't, I will throw you into the dungeon to be tortured until you pay back everything.

Speaker B:

Now, if you look at in the more accurate versions of translations, esv, nasb, those type of.

Speaker B:

They'll usually use the word jailer.

Speaker B:

But there's a little footnote.

Speaker B:

And the footnote says many manuscripts include the word torture.

Speaker B:

Because the Greek word for jailer means one who elicits the truth through use of the rack.

Speaker B:

And the rack is a torturing device.

Speaker B:

And the word for jailer in the Greek comes from a broader Greek word called bassinizo, and it means to torture.

Speaker B:

So this is very clearly the king is going to send the servant to the jailer to be tortured until he pays back all that he owes.

Speaker B:

Now, why is this important?

Speaker B:

Because of the very last statement Jesus makes.

Speaker B:

He's not speaking to the Pharisees that he's always criticizing and rebuking.

Speaker B:

He's not speaking to the general crowds of Jews because they are just kind of wayward.

Speaker B:

And they.

Speaker B:

They've been taught by people who don't really know God's word as well as they should.

Speaker B:

He's speaking to his disciples, those who believe in Jesus already, those who are following Jesus and watch what he says.

Speaker B:

So too will my Heavenly Father do to you, my disciples, if you do not forgive your brother or sister from your heart.

Speaker B:

Now, what he's saying is, if you don't forgive, then my Father is going to turn you over to the torturers to be tormented.

Speaker B:

Who are the torturers?

Speaker B:

These are the evil spirits that cause anxiety and pain and suffering and all kinds of problems in our life.

Speaker B:

Everything we read from the Old Testament.

Speaker B:

If you disobey me, I'm going to send the diseases of Egypt and the disasters and diseases that will cling to you for a long Time.

Speaker B:

But unforgiveness is a type of sin, and that's what we're seeing throughout Scripture.

Speaker B:

Sin is the direct cause of issues in our life because that's how God disciplines for us.

Speaker B:

We create issues in our children's life.

Speaker B:

The issue is you don't get to go play with your friends today because you disobeyed.

Speaker B:

Or the issue is, I'm going to spank your little bottom because you disobeyed or you go to timeout.

Speaker B:

That little child runs into issues that are uncomfortable because that's how we teach children how to obey us.

Speaker B:

So as they get older, they learn to obey God.

Speaker B:

And God uses issues in our life to teach us how to obey him.

Speaker B:

Because our life keeps getting worse and worse until we repent.

Speaker B:

And then it all comes back.

Speaker B:

John Jesus is saying in John:

Speaker B:

The thief comes to steal, kill, and destroy.

Speaker B:

But I came that you might have life and have it abundantly.

Speaker B:

So now what we have is that these.

Speaker B:

You see the jailer in that example.

Speaker B:

Let me ask real quick.

Speaker B:

We're at 45.

Speaker B:

Are you okay if we go over.

Speaker B:

Okay, perfect.

Speaker B:

Great.

Speaker B:

So the jailer in that example isn't a friend of the king.

Speaker B:

Think about this.

Speaker B:

A jailer is a torturer.

Speaker B:

Do you really think that he hobnobs with the king and all his robes and finery, who loves all of his subjects?

Speaker B:

No.

Speaker B:

That jailer probably hates the king, despises him.

Speaker B:

But he puts up with the king because the king pays his salary.

Speaker B:

And the king lets him do what he loves to do, which is to torture people.

Speaker B:

But he can't torture them unless he has a legal right.

Speaker B:

They come to the king's courtroom, the king renders judgment and then writes a judgment decree that then goes to the dungeon with that prisoner.

Speaker B:

And the king and the judge and the torturer says, all right, it's my turn now.

Speaker B:

Right.

Speaker B:

And so what you have is that torturer represents these tormenting spirits that create these problems in our lives.

Speaker B:

So one of the things I've learned as I've gone through all of this and I help people get free of things, is anxiety is a spirit.

Speaker B:

Addiction is a spirit.

Speaker B:

Homosexuality is a spirit.

Speaker B:

Pain is frequently a spirit.

Speaker B:

You have all these things and all the emotions that we go through, depression, anxiety, panic attacks, bipolar, fear, laziness, stubbornness, slumber, where you just can't.

Speaker B:

You have no energy, just falling asleep all the time.

Speaker B:

All these are spirits.

Speaker B:

And they're all.

Speaker B:

Because most of the time they're spirits, and most of the time, they're because of sin.

Speaker B:

I hate to use the word all the time, but because I've seen at least 90% right, about 90%.

Speaker B:

So what then happens is we sin, we go through life and we don't repent of that sin.

Speaker B:

God gives us gracious time to repent.

Speaker B:

But if we don't repent, things start happening in our life.

Speaker B:

But we don't literally.

Speaker B:

We're not able to connect the dots because we do something here and then six months later, something happens over here.

Speaker B:

And we never connected.

Speaker B:

They could be associated with each other.

Speaker B:

But now with that as the backdrop, let me read you two more scriptures.

Speaker B:

Because people say, well, this doesn't apply to me.

Speaker B:

In the new covenant, I'm washed with Jesus's blood already I've been made new.

Speaker B:

This is only for those under the old covenant.

Speaker B:

No sin and discipline predates the covenants.

Speaker B:

It's a foundation of how God operates, to raise up children as sons of God, to walk in godliness.

Speaker B:

So watch this.

Speaker B:

First Corinthians 11, 29, 30.

Speaker B:

The backstory.

Speaker B:

Paul is writing to the Corinthian Church.

Speaker B:

And the Corinthian church is the one with all the supernatural gifts and all of the sin.

Speaker B:

So if you have supernatural gifts, chances are you don't.

Speaker B:

You're not all that good person anyway.

Speaker B:

He gives them to you because you need it, because he thinks that's going to help, you know, that's going to help you along.

Speaker B:

The good churches like Ephesus and others, they never talk about supernatural gifts.

Speaker B:

That was an insight someone gave me, so I didn't come up with it, but I thought it was kind of fun.

Speaker B:

So Paul is writing to the Corinthian Church, and one of the things he's rebuking them up is how they're doing the Lord's Supper.

Speaker B:

He says, you're not doing it right.

Speaker B:

Some of you are rich and some of you are poor.

Speaker B:

And the rich people get all their food and all their wine.

Speaker B:

They have a feast, they get drunk and they don't discern the body of Christ because they don't look at the people over there who are poor and they have no food and they're going hungry.

Speaker B:

How in the world can you do the Lord's Supper and you feast and get drunk and allow your brother and sister to go hungry because of that.

Speaker B:

So that's a sin.

Speaker B:

Because they're dealing in sin.

Speaker B:

They're looking only at themselves and not at their brother and sister.

Speaker B:

So now we pick up 1st Corinthians 11, 29 and 30.

Speaker B:

For those who eat and drink without discerning the body of Christ, that's a sin.

Speaker B:

Eat and drink judgment on themselves.

Speaker B:

That is why.

Speaker B:

Watch this.

Speaker B:

Wow.

Speaker B:

That is why many among you are weak and sick.

Speaker B:

And a number of you have already died because of sin, and you're born again already.

Speaker B:

And analysis of fire.

Speaker B:

They lied to the Holy Spirit in selling their property.

Speaker B:

Peter said, did you really sell your property for this mount?

Speaker B:

Yes.

Speaker B:

Why would you lie to the Holy Spirit?

Speaker B:

He drops dead and Sapphire comes in.

Speaker B:

Did y' all really sell for this, this property, this mount?

Speaker B:

Yes.

Speaker B:

Why did you can, you know, do this with your husband?

Speaker B:

Why did y' all.

Speaker B:

You can't lie to the Holy Spirit.

Speaker B:

He she drops dead.

Speaker B:

Consequence of sin.

Speaker B:

They didn't repent.

Speaker B:

So now we find the fifth verse.

Speaker B:

I want to show you in the final on this building, this sequence up.

Speaker B:

James 5, 14, 16.

Speaker B:

Now, James is not speaking to the Jews under the Old Covenant.

Speaker B:

James, the brother of Jesus, is what they believe.

Speaker B:

This one is, is speaking to the believers, to those who believe in Jesus have already been saved.

Speaker B:

They're under the new covenant.

Speaker B:

And what does he say?

Speaker B:

Is anyone among you sick?

Speaker B:

So now, right now, he's talking about sickness.

Speaker B:

This could be addictions.

Speaker B:

This could be illnesses.

Speaker B:

This could be, you know, depression, anxiety, sickness is anything that isn't health.

Speaker B:

Let him call for the elders of the church and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord.

Speaker B:

And the prayer of faith will save the one who is sick, and the Lord will raise him up.

Speaker B:

So my legalistic church, and I don't want to be critical, but I just want to point this out, because there are a lot of churches that are legalistic, and people are listening to this, and they think that this is what this passage means, because it says, and the prayer of faith will save the one who is sick, and the Lord will raise him up.

Speaker B:

They're saying, oh, that's salvation.

Speaker B:

This is talking about salvation.

Speaker B:

You're sick in sin.

Speaker B:

And now, because you pray by faith, that God's going to save you and raise you up in resurrection at the last day.

Speaker B:

No.

Speaker B:

Taking this whole thing out of context.

Speaker B:

The context is, is anyone among you sick?

Speaker B:

And the prayer of faith will save the one who is sick, save them from their sickness.

Speaker B:

And the Lord will raise them up, raise him up off the sick bed.

Speaker B:

And if.

Speaker B:

Watch this.

Speaker B:

Oh, this is important.

Speaker B:

And if he has committed sins, but hold on.

Speaker B:

He will be forgiven.

Speaker B:

Well, I thought our sins were already forgiven.

Speaker B:

No.

Speaker B:

If he has committed sins, he will be forgiven.

Speaker B:

Watch this verse 16.

Speaker B:

This is where I want to get to James 5:16.

Speaker B:

Therefore confess your sins to one another that you may be healed.

Speaker B:

And this is where we pick up the prayer of a righteous person has great power as it is working.

Speaker B:

In other words, not all prayer is the same.

Speaker B:

What makes you righteous is that you obey the Lord to be led by the Spirit rather than led by the flesh, led by this.

Speaker B:

Romans 8.

Speaker B:

Right.

Speaker B:

Those who are led by the or who are their minds are set on the Spirit is life and peace, and the mindset on the flesh is sin and death.

Speaker B:

You're either led by the Spirit or led by the flesh.

Speaker B:

If you're led by the Spirit, here's what it means.

Speaker B:

The Spirit's leading For the Spirit to lead means that you're actually obeying the Spirit and following.

Speaker B:

But when the Spirit's leading and you're not following, you're not being led by the Spirit, you're led by your flesh.

Speaker B:

And what does it mean to be led by the Spirit?

Speaker B:

In this context, the Spirit says to repent, confess.

Speaker B:

If you don't, there's consequence.

Speaker B:

If you do, there's benefits.

Speaker B:

e that Jesus promises in John:

Speaker B:

He said to clean your room and he'll give you the lollipop.

Speaker B:

We don't clean our room and we want the lollipop anyway.

Speaker B:

And while giving the lollipop is his desire, his higher desire for us is that we obey.

Speaker B:

And obey is to repent.

Speaker B:

This is why Jesus says, pray like this, Lord, forgive us.

Speaker B:

Forgive me my sins as I forgive those who have sinned against me.

Speaker B:

In other words, I don't want the torment.

Speaker B:

I'll repent of my sins, forgive me my sin and free me from the torment.

Speaker B:

By the way, when Jesus told his disciples back in the parable of the Unmerciful Servant, he said, this is what my heavenly Father will do to you.

Speaker B:

He'll turn you over to the tormentors to be tortured and tormented if you don't forgive your brother or sister.

Speaker B:

Unforgiveness is an unrepentant sin.

Speaker B:

To forgive is the same equivalent of repentance.

Speaker B:

What he's saying is the reason to repent is to stay away from the tormentors.

Speaker B:

It's not this altruistic reason.

Speaker B:

Well, I've been forgiven, so that's why I need to forgive.

Speaker B:

That's true.

Speaker B:

But the reason Jesus gives to forgive our brother and sister to Repent of unforgiveness is self serving so that we don't get thrown into the torturers.

Speaker B:

And so when I, as I started to write, I haven't even talked about the book, the Prayer of Freedom, but let me share what's going on with the prayer Freedom.

Speaker B:

Quick, catch up.

Speaker B:

I mentioned, did I mention the Lord gave me a gift of healing?

Speaker B:

Yeah, I mentioned the Lord gave me a gift of healing.

Speaker A:

Yeah.

Speaker A:

And then people weren't, they were dismissive of the gift.

Speaker B:

And then he.

Speaker B:

And then he took the gift of healing away after about oh no.

Speaker B:

So he gave me a gift of healing.

Speaker B:

Then he took me into deliverance, casting out demons.

Speaker B:

And then I started to see the con, the similarities between instant healing through prayer, instant healing through deliverance, and the Lord started to show me they're the same thing.

Speaker B:

It's a spirit that's leaving.

Speaker B:

That's why that person who's been battling this sickness or issue for years and it instantly leaves.

Speaker B:

Because it's a spirit, it's not a sickness.

Speaker B:

It shows all causes of physical cause.

Speaker B:

Like this lady Susan at this addiction recovery center, she had rheumatoid arthritis for 20 years.

Speaker B:

She asked if I'd pray for her.

Speaker B:

As I'm praying, the Lord prompted me, asked, do you have unforgiveness or anyone?

Speaker B:

She said, yes, my sister, about 20 years ago, she did something against my mother.

Speaker B:

I've never forgiven her.

Speaker B:

Would you be willing to forgive her?

Speaker B:

Yes.

Speaker B:

So I later in forgiving, I forgive my sister.

Speaker B:

That was it.

Speaker B:

God asked that you take away this arthritis.

Speaker B:

Arthritis pain instantly started going down.

Speaker B:

By the next, actually by the end of the day it was completely gone.

Speaker B:

She catches up with me five weeks later and said, baby, I want to give you the update on that.

Speaker B:

Ever since she prayed with me, I've had no arthritis pain.

Speaker B:

I went to the doctor last week, so this is about four weeks after that prayer.

Speaker B:

And he retested me.

Speaker B:

He said, I have no arthritis in my body.

Speaker B:

And then she said, the doctor then said that my body shows no signs of ever having had arthritis.

Speaker B:

But yet she was medically tested by doctors multiple times throughout those 20 years and diagnosed with rheumatoid arthritis.

Speaker B:

And they could see it in the body and it's all gone.

Speaker B:

In other words, things that we think will take a long time to heal, heal instantly when we do it God's way.

Speaker B:

And it's not just unforgiveness and arthritis, it's everything.

Speaker B:

So God took away my gift of healing.

Speaker B:

I pray for people and almost no one got healed.

Speaker B:

I said, what go.

Speaker B:

What went on?

Speaker B:

He said, I took away your gift.

Speaker B:

I said, why?

Speaker B:

Why did you do that?

Speaker B:

It's helping so many people.

Speaker B:

And he said, because now I want you to learn to do it by authority.

Speaker B:

And having been in deliverance ministry, I knew exactly what he meant.

Speaker B:

So I started going out to Walmart where I would pray for people.

Speaker B:

And I started lead them to repent of sin and then ask God to heal.

Speaker B:

And I saw the same 90% of healing.

Speaker B:

Then as I started perfected, I started to teach at this addiction recovery center.

Speaker B:

It's the largest addiction recovery center in America, houses over 500 women.

Speaker B:

So it's a residential center.

Speaker B:

And my class, I teach on spiritual warfare and how to get free of all these torments.

Speaker B:

My class is the favorite because for every 20 people who come into my class, what I do is I give them my book where I, I have the worksheet in here.

Speaker B:

I give them the book and I just give them space to do the worksheet in the back.

Speaker B:

They go through the book and do the work.

Speaker B:

I don't pray with them, I don't pray for them.

Speaker B:

I mean, I can, but I want them to do it on their own because it's not about me, it's about them, them doing it God's way.

Speaker B:

So what they ultimately do is they just make a list.

Speaker B:

There are 18 different categories of types of sins that we fall into.

Speaker B:

And I got use, use these as memory joggers.

Speaker B:

So they go through that and start to write down things that they, that God brings to mind.

Speaker B:

And then I have the structured prayer.

Speaker B:

I call it structured prayer because it's a legal thing.

Speaker B:

When you're in a courtroom, it's very legal about what you're doing in the process.

Speaker B:

When you're just asking petition, then it's not legal.

Speaker B:

But when it's structured, when it's legal, it's structured.

Speaker B:

And because it's a legal right, it's a structured process, almost like a legal document.

Speaker B:

And when they pray through that, they're taking their list with the words to say and it's weaving into a fully customized specific prayer repentance for their specific unique needs.

Speaker B:

And watch.

Speaker B:

And when they do that, nearly 18 out of every 20 see everything on their list completely disappear.

Speaker B:

I want to read you just one story from this.

Speaker B:

This is a thank you note one of these ladies gave me after going through my class.

Speaker B:

And by the way, it takes 30 days to go through it.

Speaker B:

If you do it slow and it takes one day to go through it if you do it fast.

Speaker B:

So it's not about how much time this can happen literally overnight.

Speaker B:

But this is what this lady, I called her name Catherine because I changed the names for privacy.

Speaker B:

I want to thank you for the prayer of freedom.

Speaker B:

It has changed my life.

Speaker B:

Growing up, my relationship with my mom was really tough.

Speaker B:

She was abusive and she.

Speaker B:

My stepdad would drink and get into lots of fights.

Speaker B:

By the time I was in seventh grade, she said she didn't want anything to do with me and left.

Speaker B:

That's when life began spiraling downward.

Speaker B:

By 16 years old, I was having sex with lots of boys and started getting into drugs.

Speaker B:

That was just over 10 years ago.

Speaker B:

Before doing this prayer, I was addicted to heroin and fentanyl and meth.

Speaker B:

I had a lot of worry and stress and anxiety.

Speaker B:

On a scale of 1 to 10, they were probably an 8.

Speaker B:

I've had constant allergies and sinus headaches for years, migraines five out of seven days a week, and a super heavy feeling like I was carrying around an overweight backpack every day.

Speaker B:

Life has really been difficult.

Speaker B:

Ashley, let me ask you a question.

Speaker B:

Does your life seem to resemble some of that or any of it?

Speaker B:

Wow.

Speaker B:

This is what most people go through.

Speaker B:

Yeah, Right.

Speaker B:

These are the issues we go through.

Speaker B:

Watch the next statements.

Speaker A:

Okay.

Speaker B:

But the prayer of freedom and repenting changed everything.

Speaker B:

Literally everything is gone.

Speaker B:

No more sinus issues, all gone.

Speaker B:

No more headaches and migraines, all gone.

Speaker B:

No more heaviness.

Speaker B:

It's all gone.

Speaker B:

No more anxiety or stress or worries.

Speaker B:

Literally.

Speaker B:

On a scale of 1 to 10, they've all gone to zero.

Speaker B:

Even my addictions have gone down to zero.

Speaker B:

I don't want drugs anymore.

Speaker B:

I have no urges for them anymore.

Speaker B:

And even the thought of any drug disgusts me.

Speaker B:

It's all gone.

Speaker A:

Wow.

Speaker B:

All they're doing is repenting of sin.

Speaker B:

All they're doing is following what God says.

Speaker B:

Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at his end.

Speaker B:

All they're doing is what James 5:16 says.

Speaker B:

Confess your sins and you shall be healed.

Speaker B:

And most people we read over this, and I'm not blaming anyone.

Speaker B:

I read over it for years until the Lord revealed it to me.

Speaker B:

But we just don't realize how specific the Bible is, is when it says to do this.

Speaker B:

This is the solution.

Speaker B:

We normally take it as guidance, not as clear direction.

Speaker A:

Right.

Speaker A:

Wow, that's amazing.

Speaker A:

Now I know you had an example of how to go through this process.

Speaker B:

So we're now going to role play.

Speaker B:

And for everyone, that's Listening.

Speaker B:

If you are, you can do this on your own as well.

Speaker B:

So there's two ways to do this.

Speaker B:

I'm going to do this very simplistic version.

Speaker B:

Okay.

Speaker B:

It is great for demonstration, but to get your life clean and enjoy the abundant life, get the book and go through the full process.

Speaker B:

Okay.

Speaker B:

By the way, for the listeners, the best way to get the book because you type in the prayer of freedom on Google or on Amazon.

Speaker B:

So many searches come up because prayer and freedom is used so many times.

Speaker B:

So simply add the word book at the end.

Speaker B:

The prayer.

Speaker B:

FreedomBook.com that's where you go.

Speaker B:

The prayerFreedomBook.com.

Speaker B:

there's a site I set up, it's got a button.

Speaker B:

You can go straight to Amazon and go straight to the book.

Speaker B:

There's some other stuff there.

Speaker B:

You can get discounts.

Speaker B:

There's some free stuff in, but.

Speaker B:

Theprayerfreedombook.com okay, so what we're going to do is a three step process.

Speaker B:

It's real simple.

Speaker B:

We're going to ask God, is there any unrepentant sin?

Speaker B:

I need a handle.

Speaker B:

That's at the front root of my issue.

Speaker B:

Number two, we're going to repent of the sin.

Speaker B:

Number three, we're going to ask God to remove it and command it out.

Speaker B:

So first off, Ashley, what I'd like you to do is tell me.

Speaker B:

I want you to identify something going on in your body or in your physically or mentally that you can measure and give me an intensity on a scale of 0 to 10.

Speaker B:

10 being worse.

Speaker B:

Give me your worst one and let's just hit the worst one first.

Speaker A:

Is like fear one.

Speaker B:

Fear is one.

Speaker B:

No.

Speaker B:

So only if you can.

Speaker B:

Are you fearful right now?

Speaker B:

Do you feel fear right now?

Speaker A:

No, not right now.

Speaker B:

But you're asking so.

Speaker B:

So find something that you can feel right now so we can measure it on the show.

Speaker A:

Oh, okay.

Speaker A:

Anxiety.

Speaker B:

Okay, scale of 0 to 10, what would your anxiety level be right now?

Speaker A:

5.

Speaker B:

5.

Speaker B:

Okay, great.

Speaker B:

So now here's what we're going to do.

Speaker B:

Just repeat after me and it's important that you pray this out loud.

Speaker B:

Loud.

Speaker B:

Lord Jesus, Lord Jesus.

Speaker B:

I repent of my sins.

Speaker A:

I repent in my sins.

Speaker B:

And I thank you for giving me freedom from them.

Speaker A:

I thank you for giving me freedom from them.

Speaker B:

And I want to get freedom from this anxiety of mine.

Speaker A:

I want to get freedom from this anxiety of mine.

Speaker B:

And I ask that you would reveal to me.

Speaker A:

And I ask that you reveal to me any sin.

Speaker B:

I need to repent of any sin.

Speaker A:

That I need to repent of or.

Speaker B:

Any person I need to forgive.

Speaker A:

And any person I need to forgive.

Speaker B:

That is at the root of anxiety.

Speaker A:

That is at the root of anxiety.

Speaker B:

All right?

Speaker B:

So that's step one.

Speaker B:

Step two.

Speaker B:

Now we're going to repent of it.

Speaker B:

And the way it works is very clear, very simple.

Speaker B:

I'm going to have you mute your mic so you're not airing dirty laundry.

Speaker B:

Right?

Speaker B:

So the words are.

Speaker B:

And keep in mind, this is a legal thing, so the words are important.

Speaker B:

I repent of blank if it's a sin.

Speaker B:

And if you did that sin with someone else, I repent of blank with blank.

Speaker B:

I repent of stealing money with John.

Speaker B:

I repent of stealing money from John.

Speaker B:

Okay?

Speaker B:

I repent of blank.

Speaker B:

And if it's someone that you're.

Speaker B:

That you know, you need to forgive, it's simply, I forgive blank for blank.

Speaker B:

I forgive John for stealing money from me.

Speaker B:

And even if you don't feel the emotion to forgive something that was really horrible, it's okay if you don't feel like forgiving, you make the statement anyway, okay?

Speaker B:

Because it's a legal thing.

Speaker B:

It's.

Speaker B:

You're pleading your case before the court, and so go ahead.

Speaker B:

And whatever comes to mind that God's putting on your heart, just speak it out loud.

Speaker B:

I repent of blank.

Speaker B:

I forgive blank.

Speaker B:

And then come back once you're finished.

Speaker B:

And for the listeners, I'm just going to talk while she's doing that so this doesn't stay silent.

Speaker B:

She is doing that.

Speaker B:

And if you're following through this, then you do the same thing.

Speaker B:

Speak it out loud.

Speaker B:

Okay, perfect.

Speaker B:

Did any of that include naming someone else?

Speaker A:

Yes.

Speaker B:

Okay, great.

Speaker B:

So now we're going to do part 2B.

Speaker B:

Just speak this out loud.

Speaker B:

And I release all judgments against and.

Speaker A:

I release all judgments against.

Speaker B:

And break all unholy soul ties with.

Speaker A:

And break all unholy soul ties with.

Speaker B:

Those people I have named.

Speaker A:

Those people that I have named.

Speaker B:

And now, lord Jesus.

Speaker A:

And now, lord Jesus, I ask you.

Speaker B:

To take my anxiety away.

Speaker A:

I ask that you take my anxiety away.

Speaker B:

And now, in the name and authority of Jesus.

Speaker A:

And now, in the name and authority.

Speaker B:

Of Jesus, I speak to you, spirit of anxiety.

Speaker A:

I speak to you, the spirit of anxiety.

Speaker B:

And I command you to leave.

Speaker A:

And I command you to leave.

Speaker B:

Go now.

Speaker A:

Go now.

Speaker B:

Go from a five to a zero right now.

Speaker B:

Command it out.

Speaker B:

Go from five to zero right now.

Speaker B:

Oh.

Speaker A:

Oh.

Speaker A:

I command from a five to a zero right now.

Speaker B:

All right, now test it out.

Speaker B:

Check it out.

Speaker B:

Tell me where your anxiety level is.

Speaker A:

I'm at a two.

Speaker B:

Perfect.

Speaker B:

So what happens is it's now responded.

Speaker B:

All you did is repented and commanded out.

Speaker B:

So it usually takes two or three commands to get it out.

Speaker B:

So now we're just going to repeat the third step again.

Speaker A:

Okay?

Speaker B:

So follow after me.

Speaker B:

Jesus, thank you for removing anxiety down to 2.

Speaker A:

Jesus, thank you for removing anxiety to a 2.

Speaker B:

I ask that you take it all the way out now.

Speaker A:

I ask you that you take it all the way out now.

Speaker B:

Anxiety, in the name of Jesus, get out.

Speaker A:

Anxiety, in the name of Jesus, get out.

Speaker B:

Go to zero.

Speaker A:

Go to a zero.

Speaker B:

Now.

Speaker B:

Check it out.

Speaker B:

Okay, you feel anxiety at all?

Speaker A:

It feels.

Speaker A:

It's like slowly, like.

Speaker A:

It feels like a slow air leak in the tire.

Speaker B:

Yeah, it's.

Speaker B:

It's going out because it doesn't want to leave.

Speaker B:

But it has to leave.

Speaker B:

It's now been evicted.

Speaker A:

Yes.

Speaker B:

This is a legal process, right?

Speaker B:

So the first step, go before the judge and you break the legal right.

Speaker B:

Anxiety had a lease to be in your.

Speaker B:

In your.

Speaker B:

In your being.

Speaker B:

You gave it a legal right, a lease to occupy you.

Speaker B:

Now you break that lease, and now you're evicting anxiety from you.

Speaker B:

That's the process.

Speaker A:

Yes.

Speaker B:

And it's.

Speaker B:

And when you go through the prayer freedom, you don't have to do one thing after another.

Speaker B:

It all happens solid one, one big thing.

Speaker B:

And a lot of the things that you don't even realize are disciplines in your life.

Speaker B:

God says that I will discipline every son of mine, every child of mine that I love.

Speaker B:

And the way he disciplines is this type of stuff.

Speaker B:

Why does he discipline?

Speaker B:

Because we disobey.

Speaker B:

What are we disobeying?

Speaker B:

When we sin, we don't repent.

Speaker B:

Repent.

Speaker A:

Right.

Speaker A:

Wow.

Speaker A:

I bet you I'm gonna walk out and I'll be like, oh, yeah.

Speaker A:

I remember I had a chiropractor, and I was like, this ain't working.

Speaker A:

And it was from the last that he did.

Speaker A:

And then when I sat in the car, it was just like, poof.

Speaker A:

And I was just like, oh, there it is.

Speaker A:

And I feel like.

Speaker A:

Like this is slowly, like, oh, there it is.

Speaker B:

Yeah.

Speaker B:

Do you feel any anxiety right now?

Speaker B:

Is it still there or is it gone?

Speaker A:

No.

Speaker B:

Okay.

Speaker B:

So with your fear.

Speaker B:

My daughter had night terrors, and she would never sleep with the light off.

Speaker B:

Always wanted to sleep with friends.

Speaker B:

And when she turned 20, by the time she was 23, and I'm going through this, she said, dad, would you help me with this?

Speaker B:

I prayed through this.

Speaker B:

She did a Cheap way.

Speaker B:

She didn't go through the real way.

Speaker B:

She just kind of prayed through ad hoc.

Speaker B:

Nothing happened.

Speaker B:

So can you help me get rid of this fear?

Speaker B:

Said sure.

Speaker B:

So when's the first time you experience fear?

Speaker B:

She's about 3 or 4 years old watching this TV show with my cousin.

Speaker B:

Okay, so let's just repent of that.

Speaker B:

I repent of getting afraid watching the TV show.

Speaker B:

And I break all in holy soul ties with my cousin.

Speaker B:

Fear get out.

Speaker B:

It's gone.

Speaker B:

Because that was the legal right.

Speaker B:

She became afraid at an early age, and it opened the door for fear to come in and stay in.

Speaker B:

He gave a.

Speaker B:

A legal right to rent her house.

Speaker B:

Right.

Speaker B:

And now she evicted it.

Speaker B:

So it's literally that simple when you know what to do.

Speaker B:

And the great thing with my book, the way my book is set up, is the first half.

Speaker B:

It's a short book.

Speaker B:

The first half simply walks you through where you find this in scripture and lots of examples.

Speaker B:

And it opens the door to a lot of things, of how disciplines work and how quickly it can recover.

Speaker B:

The second part is laying the groundwork, giving the worksheets to go through, make your list of where all the unrepentant sins are, and then the prayers portion.

Speaker B:

And it's very little time.

Speaker B:

Most of the second port part of the book is the teaching on how do you do this?

Speaker B:

You know, how do you maintain your freedom once you get free?

Speaker B:

How do you do this with other people?

Speaker B:

How do you intercede on behalf of your children or your spouse and set them free even if they're not willing to go through this process themselves?

Speaker B:

Because it says that we're a royal priesthood.

Speaker B:

Right.

Speaker B:

And the way the priest operates is the man would bring a sacrifice to God to the priest.

Speaker B:

The priest would take the sacrifice.

Speaker B:

Sacrifice to the.

Speaker B:

To the.

Speaker B:

To God himself.

Speaker B:

And so the priest is interceding, repenting on behalf of others.

Speaker B:

So we can be the priest to repent on behalf of others and accomplish the same objective of legal ramifications of evicting these spirits.

Speaker B:

And I've seen people free their children and their spouses from things simply by repenting on their behalf.

Speaker B:

It's really, really powerful when you get to it, it.

Speaker B:

So that's why I'm so excited about what the Lord's revealed on this.

Speaker A:

Wow.

Speaker A:

Thank you.

Speaker A:

I was gonna try and do something new, but it didn't work out great.

Speaker A:

I'm gonna try and make the screen bigger just so I can see your book.

Speaker A:

But it didn't work out the way I plan.

Speaker A:

But you know, that's what happens when you try and learn something new on the spot.

Speaker B:

Yep.

Speaker A:

I just want to thank you.

Speaker A:

I.

Speaker A:

I'm going to be honest.

Speaker A:

I'm gonna be digesting this for quite some time.

Speaker A:

Like, you really gave me a feast and my eyes are everywhere in a metaphor type way, like, you have really shown me, like, sin.

Speaker A:

As of now, I, I'm forever gonna, like.

Speaker A:

I, I shouldn't say my view has changed in, In a nutshell.

Speaker A:

So I am blessed and I'm grateful for your insight and I'm grateful for your healing.

Speaker A:

Healing is a spiritual gift.

Speaker A:

And if it's, in my opinion, I think it's one of the most misunderstood gifts.

Speaker A:

Prophecy makes sense.

Speaker A:

You know, you tell somebody, it happens, boom.

Speaker A:

You know, that's confirmation.

Speaker B:

Yeah.

Speaker A:

Healing is healing.

Speaker A:

People can't quantify that.

Speaker A:

So for you to be able to do two things, because you said healing and to be able to cast out demons, those are one of the most misunderstood, misunderstood gifts.

Speaker A:

And for you to be able to walk in kingdom authority with confidence, to be able to show people the way.

Speaker B:

Yeah.

Speaker B:

Well, let me clarify something, because I want to make sure that.

Speaker B:

And I think you've got this clear, but I want to make sure I don't.

Speaker B:

I don't have a gift of healing.

Speaker B:

God took it away.

Speaker B:

What you just experienced was not me praying for you.

Speaker B:

I didn't pray for you at all.

Speaker B:

Okay, you prayed for yourself.

Speaker B:

I simply gave you the words to pray so you could defend yourself in the courtroom as the accusers accusing you of sin.

Speaker B:

And you finally showed up to defend yourself.

Speaker B:

And now the.

Speaker B:

The judgment has been removed.

Speaker B:

Yes.

Speaker B:

I didn't do it.

Speaker B:

You did it.

Speaker A:

Yes.

Speaker B:

By following God's law.

Speaker B:

Okay, so don't, you know, thank you for the accolades, but it wasn't me that healed you.

Speaker B:

I'm not healing people.

Speaker B:

And that's why in my class, I don't pray for them, because I want them to understand.

Speaker B:

You go through the book, prayer, freedom, and you pray for yourself.

Speaker B:

And all you do is you repent of sin.

Speaker B:

And I've seen broken bones healed from this.

Speaker B:

I mean, literally, I've seen surgery, trauma be totally healed and restored.

Speaker B:

I've seen all kinds of things simply by them repenting.

Speaker B:

They leave.

Speaker B:

Addictions go, anxiety goes.

Speaker B:

And I'm not praying for them.

Speaker B:

They're doing it on their own.

Speaker B:

That's what God says.

Speaker B:

Jesus did the work.

Speaker B:

All we have to do is obey him.

Speaker B:

Repent.

Speaker A:

And you know what?

Speaker A:

That is going to be the final word.

Speaker A:

I cannot say.

Speaker A:

And know better myself.

Speaker A:

Thank you.

Speaker A:

Thank you.

Speaker A:

The the prayer of freedom book.com for people to be able to get I had to write that down like book.com for people to be able to get straight to her book.

Speaker A:

Mr.

Speaker A:

Carmichael.

Speaker A:

B.D.

Speaker A:

carmichael, thank you so much.

Speaker B:

You are so welcome.

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