The Truth About Salvation: Do We All Get a Free Pass?
Dr. Bob Thiel dives into some mind-bending ideas about salvation and prophecy in this episode, challenging the notion that only a select few get the golden ticket to heaven. Like, seriously, who decided that? He breaks down his book, "Universal Offer of Salvation," arguing that God's plan isn’t just a cruel game of chance where most folks are left in the dark. Instead, he suggests that there's a legit chance for everyone to get a shot at salvation, even those who’ve been overlooked by traditional teachings. We go deep into the absurdities of religious doctrines, how humans have put their own spins on divine messages, and why asking questions isn’t just okay—it’s encouraged! Buckle up for a wild ride through theology, tradition, and a sprinkle of sarcasm!
Dr. Bob Thiel, the mastermind behind *Universal Offer of Salvation*, drops some serious knowledge on us in this episode. We kick things off with a casual chit-chat about his extensive background in prophecy and how his books are like prophetic weather reports—he's been predicting world events with a biblical twist since before 2012 was a thing. Seriously, he even told folks to chill out about the world ending in 2012, and spoiler alert: he was right. But here's where it gets juicy: we're not just talking about biblical prophecies here. Dr. Thiel dives into the wild world of non-biblical prophecies too, which he claims can sometimes reveal Satan's tricks. I mean, who knew demons could have a hint of truth in their lies? It’s like a twisted game of prophecy roulette.
As the convo rolls on, we get into the nitty-gritty of salvation and how it’s not just a one-size-fits-all deal. Dr. Thiel explains how he believes that God's plan is actually way more inclusive than most traditional teachings suggest. He challenges the idea that only a select few get to waltz through heaven's pearly gates, arguing instead that many will have the chance to accept salvation, even after death. This isn't your grandma's theology; it’s more like a divine second chance for humanity, which sounds a lot more loving than the whole “only a few are saved” narrative. By the end, we’re left pondering the absurdity of how humanity interprets divine plans, and honestly, it’s a refreshing take on a topic that often feels cloaked in doom and gloom.
Takeaways:
- Dr. Thiel argues that many biblical prophecies align with current world events, which is kinda wild when you think about it.
- The concept of universal salvation is explored, but it's not the same as universalism; there's a catch, folks!
- We dive into the absurdity of traditional beliefs, like the idea that most humans will just fry in hell forever—thanks but no thanks!
- Dr. Thiel critiques the notion that demons only lie, suggesting they can sometimes throw out some truth too, which is just bizarre.
- The early church had some surprising beliefs about salvation that most modern Christians just don’t talk about, like, hello?
- The podcast wraps up with a reminder that questioning beliefs isn’t just okay—it’s encouraged! We're not supposed to just take everything at face value.
Transcript
Welcome back.
Speaker A:My name is Ashley and this is the Black Sheep Christian podcast.
Speaker A:And Today I have Dr.
Speaker A:Teal.
Speaker A:Thank you for joining us today.
Speaker B:Thanks for having me, Ashley.
Speaker A:Dr.
Speaker A:Teal is.
Speaker A:I'm excited to have you on my show today because you, I was looking you up.
Speaker A:The world's first, foremost authorities on prophecy writing.
Speaker A:That is a powerful, that's a powerful sentence.
Speaker A:So for us to connect today, I have some questions.
Speaker B:Oh, go right ahead.
Speaker B:I, I'm not quite sure who wrote that, but, but I have written a lot of books on prophetic side and world events line up with them.
Speaker B: on that kind of stuff,: Speaker B: asically I wrote this book in: Speaker B:I said, Hope you're all sitting down for this.
Speaker B: rld would not end December of: Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:But I also said certain things would happen and not happen during that year.
Speaker B:And I think like world events at least partially aligned with I think 32 things that were in that book.
Speaker B:I've had books related to various US Presidents and some other types of things and world events regularly keep aligning, in my opinion, with properly understood biblical prophecies.
Speaker B:But for your listeners, and I realize your audience is primarily people who are, believe they're Christian or something along that line, hopefully believe the Bible.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:I also like to sometimes discuss non biblical prophecies, not because I believe them above biblical ones, but because I believe that amongst other things, Satan also has a plan.
Speaker B:And some parts of his plan are actually laid out in these prophecies, some of which are intended to confuse people at the end times.
Speaker B:On the other hand, this part's going to sound strange.
Speaker B:Demons are liars, but sometimes they tell the truth.
Speaker B:And you know, the Bible talks about the fact Christians are going to judge angels.
Speaker B:And, and so I, I have wondered.
Speaker B:This is speculation, but I've wondered, does that mean that maybe sometimes when some demon influences somebody to say something, it's actually correct answers to say perhaps from this demon gets judged.
Speaker B:Look, I, I, you know, yeah, I was, I rebelled against God and yeah, I went for Satan stuff.
Speaker B:But you, maybe I'm not so bad.
Speaker B:I don't, I mean, I don't know.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker A:No, that, I mean that's a really interesting take because growing up in the very beginning, demons are bad.
Speaker A:All they say is lies to you.
Speaker A:All they're going to do is steer you like, like, it's like this constant, like if, if, if God never changes, our viewpoint of demons never change, you Know they will always lie, they will always cheat, they will always, you know, do all these bad things.
Speaker A:So for you to say that they can tell you the truth, it just kind of like there are times when bad people do say truthful things.
Speaker B:Yeah, you see that in the Old Testament.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:Between Bail and Balak.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:So he got some information.
Speaker B:Again, I want to make it absolutely clear.
Speaker B:I do not want anybody to pray to demons, summon demons or.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:Or ever, ever think some statement that contradicts the Bible is right.
Speaker B:I don't care where it comes from.
Speaker B:You know, Apostle Paul said, if even it's an angel from heaven or an apparition, I'm going to throw in that because there's a lot of that going on.
Speaker B:If it contradicts the truth, you don't believe it.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:But again, I having read a number of non biblical prophecies, Roman Catholic prophecies, Greek Orthodox prophecies, Chinese prophecies, Islamic prophecies, Hindu prophecies, those come to media mind hoping Indian prophecies, but various ones.
Speaker B:There are aspects of those that are actually accurate.
Speaker B:I think for different reasons, but there are some that have a certain accuracy and I think that part of it is part of Satan's plan.
Speaker B:You know what they used to say about propaganda is to get people to be.
Speaker B:To believe propaganda.
Speaker B:95.
Speaker B:True.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:You just have to have a little part in there that's not because they're like, well, that's true, that's true.
Speaker B:So that must be.
Speaker B:And it's like, oh no.
Speaker B:And so demons would do things like that too.
Speaker A:Wow.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:Those are.
Speaker A:That, that was just a little nugget.
Speaker A:I'm like really digesting.
Speaker A:It's not.
Speaker A:When someone says something I really take time to like.
Speaker A:It's like eating food and you just, you just have to have it sit in the belly for a little bit, you know.
Speaker B:No, no, look, as, as a, as a writer.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:What I've learned is writing.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:I used to write, publish a book, then give sermons about the book.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:Particularly if it's not sometimes prophetic, but mostly doctrine will suffer.
Speaker B:History stuff.
Speaker B:Here's what I learned.
Speaker B:Oh no.
Speaker B:Write the book, give the sermons out of the book, then fix the book.
Speaker B:Because when I'm reading, say things out loud.
Speaker B:Plus I need time probably like everybody else to grow in grace knowledge.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:So from when I first write a book to I actually get it done.
Speaker B:Done, I've learned stuff and asked, wow, I didn't have that in there.
Speaker B:Why didn't I have that in there.
Speaker B:So, no, I understand when I bring up some unusual concepts that maybe you never thought about, and even what I've just said, I'm not even sure I've said some things I just said to you.
Speaker B:I'm not even sure I've said in public before.
Speaker B:Breaking news.
Speaker A:Now with one of the books that you've written, which I read Universal Offer of Salvation.
Speaker A:And, and that was a very interesting read because it really took me back when I was a kid and wait a minute, let me go to it.
Speaker A:Because as a kid, I remember, yes.
Speaker A:So as a kid, I was reading the contents first and I was like, oh my gosh, this is speaking to me.
Speaker A:I was so scared.
Speaker A:I can't remember what it was or where it was, but I remember heard the Bible verse when Jesus says, many will call my name and few will enter in the kingdom.
Speaker A:And the word few as a kid terrified me because it meant two.
Speaker A:And I'm just sitting here like, is that Peter?
Speaker A:Is that Jesus and Peter?
Speaker A:Like, I'm trying to figure out who the two is in the few, because no matter how I put it, it didn't include me.
Speaker B:I, I, I, I understand.
Speaker B:And you know, I was raised Roman Catholic, and so there were certain ideas we were told about salvation, and I just accepted them, you know, growing up as a kid, went to Catholic school for a couple years too.
Speaker B:But as I got older and actually, one of the reasons I'm not Roman Catholic is that we had stopped attending, we had moved, and we didn't join a new parish is what they would call it in Roman Catholic terms.
Speaker B:And so I knew I was doomed.
Speaker B:Based on Catholic theology.
Speaker B:I'm only like 12 or 13 or something.
Speaker B:Somebody gives my youngest brother a New Testament and he doesn't really want it, so he gives it to me.
Speaker B:So I figure, well, I'm doomed.
Speaker B:Let's find out, you know, what else I can learn.
Speaker B:So I start to read the New Testament and I start Book of Matthew, and I get through, I don't know, five, ten chapters.
Speaker B:So I've gotten through the Beatitudes, and I thought, this isn't anything like, I kind of remember, okay, I remember, I remember going to Mass.
Speaker B:I remember going to confession, communion, whatever, but that's, this was not like that.
Speaker B:And so later, actually, probably not too long after that, I started to listen to religious radio and I heard a guy ask about you, like, what happens to babies when they die?
Speaker B:Now I knew what Roman Catholics taught at the time.
Speaker B:They taught something called limbo, which was a kind of a bad place, but not super bad.
Speaker B:And that's where babies supposedly went if they weren't baptized before they died.
Speaker B:And I thought that was unusual.
Speaker B:And by the way, the Pope, Benedict xvi, the one couple of popes ago, he basically said that they don't really necessarily believe in limbo.
Speaker B:So that was kind of strange.
Speaker B:That was later.
Speaker B:But back then I thought, okay, I heard a limbo.
Speaker B:And then within Protestantism, they taught something called age of accountability.
Speaker B:As far as I could tell that if you died before you aged, got to the age of accountability, you go to heaven, right?
Speaker B:Well, to me, this was not that logical.
Speaker B:Now think about this.
Speaker B:Now, you have ultimately some type of African heritage, I'm assuming, okay, no, no, this is a reason for that.
Speaker B:Okay, so just think about this.
Speaker B:So there's Africans.
Speaker B:We'll go back a thousand years, okay?
Speaker B:And not the north part of Africa.
Speaker B:North part of Africa, there were missionaries and stuff, but just going further down south, okay?
Speaker B:So we're going to assume that somebody maybe in your tribe or some other tribes, a bunch of people down there, never heard about Jesus, okay?
Speaker B:So according to Roman Catholic and Protestant theology, those people are going to burn and suffer forever and ever and ever.
Speaker B:It's horrible.
Speaker B:It's just terrible.
Speaker B:And it goes on like that.
Speaker B:Well, you know, you'd been lucky then die as a kid, you should have died as a baby.
Speaker B:How come because you didn't die as a baby, you get to go to heaven?
Speaker B:But, okay, so to me, this was not logical.
Speaker B:So from the church of God, I heard a different answer.
Speaker B:And that's actually got what me got me moving over in that direction now, since I brought.
Speaker B:I indirectly brought race into this, bear with something else I like to say, okay?
Speaker B:There's a group of people in the Protestant side.
Speaker B:They're not as prominent as they used to be, but they're called Calvinists, okay?
Speaker B:Based on works of John Calvin, who was one of the early Protestant reformers.
Speaker B:And he came up with an idea, they took his stuff and got it even a little bit worse.
Speaker B:But basically, according to them, here's the deal.
Speaker B:You're horrible, I'm horrible.
Speaker B:But God is love.
Speaker B:Because God is love.
Speaker B:He sent his only son to die for our sins and we could be saved.
Speaker B:However, here's where race comes in is.
Speaker B:Turns out you don't have a choice if you're going to be saved.
Speaker B:This according to Calvinism, okay?
Speaker B:You're either going to be saved and you have no choice, okay?
Speaker B:You get undeserved pardon.
Speaker B:You can't Change your mind.
Speaker B:And everybody else, they can't get it, okay?
Speaker B:But because God is love, he's going to save about 2% of the population.
Speaker B:97% of that are going to be white, by the way.
Speaker B:Okay?
Speaker B:That's why I brought bringing race in.
Speaker B:They don't.
Speaker B:They don't say that, but that's what it means.
Speaker B:Okay?
Speaker B:And so I thought that was absurd.
Speaker B:All right, so then none of that made any sense to me, you know?
Speaker B:Now think about this.
Speaker B:Now, people who profess Christianity, almost everyone will agree with the following things I'm going to say.
Speaker B:Bible says God is love first.
Speaker B:John 4, verse 8, and verse 16.
Speaker B:Sitting there twice.
Speaker B:Okay, I mentioned God so loved the world, gave his only begotten son.
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker B:Bible says God's all knowing.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker B:God is everywhere.
Speaker B:And God is all powerful, omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker B:By the way, I've got a book on that.
Speaker B:By the way.
Speaker B:These the books I was holding up, free ebooks.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker B:And it's called.
Speaker B:My latest one's called Mysteries of God.
Speaker B:What is God?
Speaker B:All right, so if God is all these things which he is, then was he so bad of a planner that he came up with a plan of salvation that means most people who ever lived are going to fry forever.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:And what was interesting to me about the book, I'm gonna hold the book up again because I want to, because again, this is free people.
Speaker B:Get it@ccg.org it's ebook.
Speaker B:It's right there.
Speaker B:When I wrote this book, okay, first of all, I ran into zillions of scriptures that support this idea that God is going to offer salvation to all.
Speaker B:We do not teach, by the way, universal salvation.
Speaker B:That means universal salvation means no matter what you ever did, you'll just be saved.
Speaker B:No, you have to accept Jesus to be saved.
Speaker B:Okay?
Speaker B:One name under heaven by which to be saved.
Speaker B:But when I wrote this book, the thing that fascinated me was not only were the hundreds of scriptures that I'd read over a bunch of times I didn't put in that way, but that early Christians did believe this.
Speaker B:And if you read the book, you know, you said you read the book.
Speaker B:There was a professor from, from an Italian professor, doctor, and she said, no, that's what the early church taught.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:I think.
Speaker B:I think she's Roman Catholic.
Speaker B:And the other thing that I knew before I started to write the book is the Eastern Orthodox had a similar teaching.
Speaker B:Now, the reason I bring up the Eastern Orthodox is if I Talk about this concept.
Speaker B:Oh, this is a cultist concept.
Speaker B:This is not Orthodox.
Speaker B:Okay, well, the Eastern Orthodox, they claim 2 or 300 million people count the Russian Orthodox.
Speaker B:And according to them, one of their bishops, whose book that I read a couple of times maybe, I think I have it, he said, there's no terrorism in Orthodoxy.
Speaker B:He says God's got a plan.
Speaker B:And, you know, we've looked at what our.
Speaker B:They call them early church fathers.
Speaker B:Okay, I don't usually use that term, but that's the common term for these people that they taught that.
Speaker B:No, God's plan was that he's got a plan of salvation and he could save people up until the great White Throne judgment, which, by the way, is what we already taught.
Speaker B:So I thought that was, you know, really interesting.
Speaker B:So what I was writing the book isn't just my personal interpretation of scripture.
Speaker B:There are other churches before us and throughout history that taught it.
Speaker B:But, but to find amongst the main, some of the mainstream researchers.
Speaker B:Oh, no, that's what was taught.
Speaker B:But I never heard that as Roman Catholic.
Speaker B:I never heard it when I attended a Protestant church.
Speaker B:I attended something called the Salem Bible Church for a little while when I was after the Roman Catholicism.
Speaker B:And they didn't teach anything like that.
Speaker B:And I told you, I used to listen to religious radio and tv, by the way, back then, and nobody taught it.
Speaker B:And so to me, it was a interesting idea when I first heard it.
Speaker B:And again, I, I realize others have a different opinion, but it seems to be very illogical that if you happen to be in a land where you don't, they don't have Bibles, they don't speak a language.
Speaker B:But, but your village got raided in your Papua New guinea somewhere with the head, and your head got cut off and they hit you or whatever they did to you.
Speaker B:You get to what happened.
Speaker B:But if you, if you lived two weeks later, you'd have been old enough to sin and you, you were, you were crying.
Speaker B:And so I, I, you know, it's astounding that that's what most people who profess Christ believe is some version close to one of those.
Speaker B:To me, I think God is logical.
Speaker B:I think his plan is logical.
Speaker B:I think it makes sense.
Speaker B:God is love.
Speaker B:And I don't think God is incapable of beating a war with Satan.
Speaker B:Oh, I've got my Bible.
Speaker B:I should have grabbed one.
Speaker B:I was going to hold up and say, you read the Bible.
Speaker B:In the end, the Christians win, okay?
Speaker B:God wins.
Speaker B:Okay?
Speaker B:And I don't think God wins because almost everybody is frying and Suffering.
Speaker B:I just.
Speaker B:I don't.
Speaker B:I don't.
Speaker B:I don't see that.
Speaker B:I don't see that in Scripture, particularly.
Speaker B:Revelation says there could be no more sorrow, no more this, that, and the other thing.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:And then what's yours?
Speaker B:And so I don't think that's what the Bible teaches, so it's kind of appropriate.
Speaker B:I'm on Black Sheep Christian podcast.
Speaker B:Well, I think this is a doctrine of light and not darkness.
Speaker B:I.
Speaker B:Because beliefs.
Speaker B:People who have similar beliefs to me, we've called we're a cult because we believe what the early church taught.
Speaker A:Do you think it's almost like a human way of gatekeeping.
Speaker B:In a sense?
Speaker B:I mean, you've had.
Speaker B:You've had.
Speaker B:With.
Speaker B:When the Roman Catholic Church kind of ruled over much of Europe and some of the Protestant churches in smaller communities, United States kind of had.
Speaker B:Yeah, they would put the fear.
Speaker B:Fear in you.
Speaker B:So there was a control mechanism there.
Speaker B:But to be blunt, I don't think most theologians even studied it.
Speaker B:One thing that I've been disappointed with, I guess I'll mention this, okay, So I went from being a Roman Catholic to we weren't really doing anything, to finally, I started to attend what's called the Salem Bible Church.
Speaker B:This is in Salem, Michigan, by the way.
Speaker B:And the pastor is a very nice man.
Speaker B:Matter of fact, I think he's still alive, but he's barely old.
Speaker B:He was a nice man.
Speaker B:And I attended there for a while.
Speaker B:And as a matter of fact, I also helped out at one of their camps, summer Bible camps and that kind of stuff.
Speaker B:But we had sung a song one day, and after the song, and I'd already started by this stage, I guess I was 16.
Speaker B:I read church of God literature, so I had some other ideas about the Bible.
Speaker B:And so I went up to the pastor and said, we just sung this song.
Speaker B:I said, but that's not true, what we just sung.
Speaker B:He says, yeah, I know that's.
Speaker B:And I'm thinking, then I said, then why did we sing that song?
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:No, I'm a whopping 16.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:And he says, because the people like it.
Speaker A:Interesting.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:So anyway, so that was the last time I attended that particular church.
Speaker B:And again, there were nice people there.
Speaker B:There were nice people there.
Speaker B:And I like.
Speaker B:I like the pastor.
Speaker B:I had respected him up until that point in time.
Speaker B:I'd work with him at his camp.
Speaker B:And because I've been.
Speaker B:I was.
Speaker B:I think I actually attended the camp one year.
Speaker B:And once, yeah, I think I attended one year.
Speaker B:And then I was a volunteer when I was a little bit older another time because I, I.
Speaker B:Because I could drive.
Speaker B:That's right.
Speaker B:I was 16, so I could drive.
Speaker B:I did some stuff there.
Speaker B:So anyway, that is why I didn't go that direction.
Speaker B:And I continued to study within the Church of God.
Speaker B:And voila.
Speaker B:And then in terms of prophecy, if you don't mind, I'll talk about that for a moment.
Speaker B:I'm reading the Bible, and I'm seeing prophecies that I'm pretty sure apply to at least the Roman Catholic Church.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:And according, by the way, Roman Catholic scholars, some of these prophecies, the Book of Revelation, are definitely talking about Rome.
Speaker B:Okay?
Speaker B:City of Seven hills.
Speaker B:They'll tell you that's what it was.
Speaker B:So I'm thinking to myself, how can I reach these people?
Speaker B:And my wife and I went to.
Speaker B:We've been in the Vatican seven or eight times, so this is probably the second or third time we were there.
Speaker B:And I thought, well, I think in order to have people understand about prophecy, maybe I need to look more into Church history.
Speaker B:So I bought a little book there.
Speaker B:In fact, I could grab it.
Speaker B:You don't need to see.
Speaker B:It's called the Popes over at a side shop in St.
Speaker B:Peter's Basilica, the big church that you'll see over there.
Speaker B:And I started to read stuff about these popes.
Speaker B:And I said to myself, I skipped Peter because I knew about Peter.
Speaker B:And I said, where'd they get this stuff?
Speaker B:You'll love this one.
Speaker B:And you're sitting down for this.
Speaker B:According to Roman Catholic scholars, they made it all up.
Speaker B:The stuff that they, they wrote about each of these, matter of fact.
Speaker B:Okay, let me grab it.
Speaker B:This is the book I bought in the Vatican.
Speaker A:What?
Speaker B:And a long time ago.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:Okay, you see, there's a picture, of course, Peter.
Speaker B:We don't know what Peter looked like.
Speaker B:There's a guy named Linus, then Cletus or Anacletus.
Speaker B:And I started to read this stuff.
Speaker B:And like this one, Linus, he made dispositions for women to be admitted to holy places and 10 functions with their head covered.
Speaker B:Okay?
Speaker B:No, he didn't.
Speaker B:This one, he made dispositions for the consecration of bishops, norms for ecclesiastical dress.
Speaker B:No, he didn't.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:Now they're selling this book.
Speaker B:By the way, they're still selling it.
Speaker B:The last time I was in St.
Speaker B:Peter's I saw they were selling it.
Speaker B:They're still selling it.
Speaker B:They just add a new pope or two at the end, right?
Speaker A:How did you know they were making it up?
Speaker B:I just.
Speaker B:I didn't Know that at first I found out later they get it from something called the Libra Pontificalis, which called means the book of the Popes.
Speaker B:That was made in the 5th or 6th century.
Speaker B:And according to Roman Catholic scholars, they made it all up.
Speaker B:Now, how else I know is I foolishly thought that early church writings were in Latin because I was raised Roman Catholic.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:I took Latin a couple years in high school.
Speaker B:No, early writings are all in Greek.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:Because the New Testament is Greek.
Speaker B:Correct.
Speaker B:The early writers are all in Greek.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:And I studied Greek a little bit.
Speaker B:My Greek is poor, but I get through some occasionally.
Speaker B:Anyway, then I started to read writings that were translated from Greek to English.
Speaker B:And I even translated the writing, by the way, that I couldn't find translated from Greek to English is by a guy named Molito was about called Molito on prophecy.
Speaker B:I actually translated that one myself.
Speaker B:But so I started reading all these second century writings.
Speaker B:Now, why second century?
Speaker B:For your listeners, just to remember, Jesus and the apostles lived in the first century.
Speaker B:We think the last book of the Bible was written 90 to 96 AD toward the end of the first century.
Speaker B:We think the apostle John died somewhere between 98 and 104 roughly.
Speaker B:But basically he died at the end of the first century, maybe the early part of the second century.
Speaker B:But most of early church writings are from the second century, this after New Testament.
Speaker B:And so that gives us an idea of how did they understand the Greek.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:What happens to me sometimes, Ashley, is people will say, well, my pastor X, he studied Greek and he says this passage means this.
Speaker B:And I said, well, but yeah, that's the 20th or 21st century you're talking.
Speaker B:He got trained.
Speaker B:But these people in the second century, they actually knew the same Greek language that the New Testament was written in, and they didn't understand it to be that way.
Speaker B:So anyway, I started to read all these writings and found out these popes didn't write anything.
Speaker B:Okay?
Speaker B:Not the early ones.
Speaker B:And by the way, they weren't called popes then.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:As a matter of fact, and this will be controversial, this is not.
Speaker B:This is a fact.
Speaker B:It may upset some Roman Catholics, but it's not.
Speaker B:It's a fact.
Speaker B:There were no bishops of Rome either prior to the mid second century.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:There were elders there who I think were true Christians in the.
Speaker B:In early second century, but they didn't start to pick up the title bishop.
Speaker A:Interesting.
Speaker A:I'm learning new things.
Speaker B:So anyway, these guys didn't write anything.
Speaker B:Now, there is a letter to the Corinthians from the church at Rome.
Speaker B:Now this came out probably around the time the apostle John was exiled to the island of Patmos.
Speaker B:Okay, okay.
Speaker B:That's where he wrote the book of Revelation.
Speaker B:Anyway.
Speaker B:And they call that one first Clement, and they think maybe a guy named Clement wrote it.
Speaker B:But one, it doesn't say anybody wrote it.
Speaker B:Okay?
Speaker B:Just said we the whole time and nobody's name's in there.
Speaker B:Okay, so there was a writing from Rome, late, secondly, late first century.
Speaker B:But it doesn't say they have any authority or anything.
Speaker B:It doesn't have a bunch of the doctrines of the Roman Catholic Church.
Speaker B:It doesn't have anything like that.
Speaker B:But that's the first writing from somebody who they later claimed could have been a pope.
Speaker B:But there aren't writings for these people because there's no writings for these people.
Speaker B:We have no, we know they had to make that stuff up about women's heads being covered.
Speaker B:And this had no writings.
Speaker A:Now that just blows my mind because I'm thinking like, like Paul, for example.
Speaker A:You know, Paul is known or is believed to write the majority of the New Testament.
Speaker A:So why wouldn't popes or the.
Speaker A:They weren't called popes, but why wouldn't they have written anything?
Speaker B:Because they were just.
Speaker B:In all due respect, we're going to use the vernacular.
Speaker B:They're just basically normal dudes.
Speaker B:Okay, okay, there's, okay, here's, here's, here's what happened.
Speaker B:According to Roman Catholic history, there was this guy by the name of Hegat Sippus, and he had come from Jerusalem through Asia Minor where they did have bishops, okay?
Speaker B:Overseers, bishops, episcopals.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:He gets to Rome, second century, asked, do you have a list of bishops?
Speaker B:Huh?
Speaker B:So he writes down a bunch of names they give him.
Speaker B:There's no dates, there's no anything, just a bunch of names.
Speaker B:And then around that time, then they started to call themselves bishops.
Speaker B:This is around 140 to 150 or so.
Speaker B:We finally see the first elder of Rome called a bishop because he was probably just a guy and I mean he was an elder, don't get me wrong.
Speaker B:And, and, but he, it was just very different.
Speaker B:And you know, I mentioned that they weren't called popes then.
Speaker A:Right, right, right.
Speaker B:If you don't mind, I'll let your listeners know this because you probably know this.
Speaker B:The word pope means father.
Speaker B:But what originally they people were just first called elders or presbyters and then episcopals or bishops.
Speaker B:Then what happened was the immigration in the 4th century.
Speaker B:This is after Emperor Constantine.
Speaker B:So Gratian considered himself some type of a Christian.
Speaker B:Well, he thought it was not appropriate to use the term Pontifex Maximus.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:And what that was all the, the Roman pagan emperors used that term because they were supposed to be the bridge builder between God, the man and the gods.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:So Gratian's like, if I'm supposed to be a Christian, I don't think I'm supposed to be the bridge builder between humans and, and the gods or the God.
Speaker B:You know, the Bible says he didn't say this out loud, but maybe he did.
Speaker B:I mean, it wasn't there.
Speaker B:I know all the things he said, but, you know, the scripture says there's one mediator, that's Jesus.
Speaker B:So he knew he wasn't Jesus.
Speaker B:So he drops, he drops the term immediately.
Speaker B:The Roman pontiff.
Speaker B:Oh, they weren't pontiffs then Roman picture picks it up and calls himself Pontifex Maximus.
Speaker B:Now what's interesting is with the new pope, Pope Leo the 14th, he said last week and today that he wants to be a bridge builder.
Speaker B:Well, Pontifex Maximus means greatest bridge builder.
Speaker B:And so he's hoping to put together an ecumenical and interfaith alliance throughout the whole world.
Speaker B:And that was something I read basically today from Vatican News.
Speaker B:So this is, this is not.
Speaker B:They didn't work quite that way, but it's not some kind of conspiracy theory.
Speaker B:Well, anyway, we're not really getting the prophecy too much yet.
Speaker A:No, that's okay.
Speaker A:That's okay.
Speaker A:I'm learning new things anyways.
Speaker A:Like, I mean, when you think about it, I, I don't.
Speaker A:It's so interesting.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:We're not talking about the prophecy, but when you think about it, I mean, they, the church was a startup.
Speaker A: Like, like as today in: Speaker A:I just, in my mind, I'm putting so much heaviness on something, I'm thinking these are experts, you know, they, they were the closest to Jesus that you can ever get close to.
Speaker A:So I'm in my mind, I'm thinking they're experts, they have all this wisdom.
Speaker A:And yet, I mean, after what you revealed, I mean, they're dudes just trying to put something together.
Speaker A:Like, they're just like us.
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker B:Linus may have been mentioned in the Bible, okay, But he was just somebody.
Speaker B:But didn't.
Speaker B:If he was the one who's supposed to rule all Christendom or something, maybe Paul would have said something other than the fact that he greets you.
Speaker B:He, Paul listed a bunch of people that greeted people.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:His name might have been in there.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:But the actual writers, and this is what a lot of people don't realize, the actual writers were in Asia Minor.
Speaker B:This is the area we now call Turkey, but places that your listeners would perhaps recognize.
Speaker B:Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamus, Sayatara, Sardis, Philadelphia, Laodicea, and just south of there, Antioch.
Speaker B:First place, people were called Christians.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:So that's where actually writings came from later.
Speaker B:And so when you're looking at early writings, you've got people like Polycarpus, Smyrna, I mentioned Melito Sardis.
Speaker B:There were other writers from that area.
Speaker B:And then later he ended up with writers in Alexandria, Egypt, because that was kind of the.
Speaker B:For the Romans, that was kind of the.
Speaker B:Their intellectual headquarters, if you will.
Speaker B:The best schools were in Alexandria.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:But for the rest of us, in terms of being more toward biblical Christianity, those writings, most of the original writings, early writings, came from Asia Minor.
Speaker A:Okay, interesting.
Speaker A:Now to switch gears to the prophecies that we were talking about when.
Speaker A:When you were mentioning the different denominations and religions and how they have their own prophecies.
Speaker A:I find it interesting because as humans, we can't control.
Speaker A:So to look ahead helps us to be able to prepare and control.
Speaker A:And with your journey and studying prophecies, what is one thing that surprised you the most?
Speaker B:That's tricky, but I'll.
Speaker B:I'll say one that that is relatively recent.
Speaker B:Oh, this one has to do.
Speaker B:It's not just prophecy so much.
Speaker B:It has to do with Islam.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker B:I knew a lot of Islamic prophecies kind of aligned with biblical ones.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:That I knew before I started to write this book about Islam and prophecy.
Speaker B:But what I didn't realize until I started to do this book, I didn't realize, and I should have, this is common sense that I didn't apply it first, I guess, is you have Jesus.
Speaker B:He comes by and he sees the Jews added all these traditions that were not in the Bible.
Speaker B:And he didn't.
Speaker B:He says, no, don't add those things.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:You've got.
Speaker B:You're focused on the wrong stuff.
Speaker B:Then in my view, you've got the Greco Roman Catholics and Protestants who also have a zillion traditions that are not in the Bible.
Speaker B:What I should have realized but hadn't was the same thing happens in Islam.
Speaker B:And it's almost funny now in Islam, one of the things they say Islam teaches about Jesus, by the way, but one of the things they say is that Jesus did not die and that Christians made all this stuff up.
Speaker B:Now, what was interesting when I started to read what Muhammad wrote or said for the Quran because I don't know if he did the physical writing or not.
Speaker B:I learned a couple of things.
Speaker B:You've got Muslims who say you can't trust the Bible because the Christians and the Jews changed it.
Speaker B:No, here's the interesting part.
Speaker B:Muhammad didn't say that.
Speaker B:What Muhammad said and I'm appealing to Muhammad not because I believe Muhammad was God's prophet, but Muslims do.
Speaker B:He said that people, Christians and Jews misinterpret the Bible.
Speaker B:That's not the same to say you can't trust it.
Speaker B:And so one of the things was, you may remember the group called the Islamic State terrorist group out of Syria and Iraq and they put a magazine called the Beak and it says that one of the reasons we hate you is one of the things they listed is you say God has a son.
Speaker B:Well, let's think about this for a second.
Speaker B:And in the Old Testament it says God is going to have a son.
Speaker B:Now what's interesting about that, why would the Jews change the Hebrew to support what Christians believe they wouldn't have.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:And getting back to Islam, another one, as I've said, they say that Jesus didn't die.
Speaker B:I don't know how I stumbled on this.
Speaker B:I mean I do pray before I research.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:But God led me to this.
Speaker B:I stumbled on to a passage from the Quran where Jesus said he died and, or he was going to die, that he was, he died.
Speaker B:And the.
Speaker B:It's in the Quran.
Speaker B:But I had the, of six translations of the Quran into English.
Speaker B:Only one of them had it right.
Speaker B:All them translated the way they wanted to hear it, not to what it actually says.
Speaker B:And I had to go through, I had to use AI, a couple of different AI programs, artificial intelligence programs.
Speaker B:And at first they gave me the wrong translation and I said excuse me, is this a proper translation?
Speaker B:Is not the literal translation.
Speaker B:This one's the funny thing being AI it apologizes to me a lot because, because if for example it told me something yesterday or today, no, today was wrong.
Speaker B:I went to the source, it wasn't there.
Speaker B:I said it's not in there.
Speaker B:And so we'll apologize because I don't just take their answer.
Speaker B:I'll go and I'll, I'll check the source.
Speaker B:And so it, so that was probably one of the most eye opening things in terms.
Speaker B:But it's not really prophecy.
Speaker B:But that was probably with Islam.
Speaker B:I didn't realize that.
Speaker B:As far as prophecy goes, I'll give, give one that ties into the book that you read, and this is Luke 36.
Speaker B:And I'm going to read this from the Dewey Rheims translation Bible.
Speaker B:It's a Roman Catholic translation.
Speaker B:Not because I think it's better or worse, just because if you're Roman Catholic, maybe you hadn't thought of this.
Speaker B:It says all flesh shall see the salvation of God.
Speaker B: d Testament we read in Isaiah: Speaker B:And when you read scripture, there is a plan.
Speaker B:God has a plan.
Speaker B:Now the part that's controversial, I don't think it should be, is that God's calling some now and the rest will be called again when they're raised at the second resurrection is the great White Throne judgment.
Speaker B:Now one argument that you'll hear, and I've read this argument from mostly from Protestants, but sometimes from Roman Catholics, it says, yep, people are going to be judged and they're guilty.
Speaker B:Okay, well to become a Christian you kind of have.
Speaker B:It says you have to repent, accept Jesus.
Speaker B:Okay, so you, you're guilty.
Speaker B:Okay, so that's one part.
Speaker B:But the part that I like to quote a lot is from James 2:13.
Speaker B:It says mercy triumphs over judgment.
Speaker B:All right, so it's true.
Speaker B:All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.
Speaker B:That's Paul wrote in Romans and wage the sin is death.
Speaker B:Got that?
Speaker B:Then also Paul wrote that also in Romans.
Speaker B:But the Bible talks about resurrection.
Speaker B:It talks about one they call the first resurrection.
Speaker B:Those would be for those who were Christians in this age, who endured the end.
Speaker B:Etc, then says the rest of the dead come up and they're going to be judged.
Speaker B:Now they're all going to be found guilty of sin.
Speaker B:Okay, all right, so all right, they will, they will be judged.
Speaker B:But the Bible also says God's going to plead with people.
Speaker B:Now I think I got a couple moments for this.
Speaker B:From a prophetic perspective, this may be a little different than you understood, but this first parts would be your audience I think will relate to you.
Speaker B:Read the book of Genesis, chapter one.
Speaker B:God recreates everything, says this is good, very good.
Speaker B:All right, so Adam and Eve are in the garden.
Speaker B:They have everything they need.
Speaker B:They believe Satan's lie.
Speaker B:Humans are believing Satan's lies.
Speaker B:Throughout history.
Speaker B:God takes push them out of the garden, lets humans have about 6,000 years to mess up this planet.
Speaker B:According to Jesus.
Speaker B:Matthew 24, if the days weren't shortened, no flesh would be alive.
Speaker B:So all human.
Speaker B:We're going to get to the point where this planet is going to be pretty much destroyed.
Speaker B:But Jesus said, for like sake days will be shortened.
Speaker B:Jesus is going to return.
Speaker B:Now we believe in a physical millennial reign of Jesus on the earth.
Speaker B:So after he returns, he's going to come down on the earth and they're going to reign.
Speaker B:They're going to reign for a thousand years.
Speaker B:And during that time it'll take time for people to get accustomed to things.
Speaker B:But by the end of that thousand years, there'll be a paradise on this earth.
Speaker B:Now think about this.
Speaker B:Most people, at least people who believe in the millennium, accept all that.
Speaker B:But now think about this from God's plans perspective.
Speaker B:Okay?
Speaker B:So he's going to resurrect Joe, Jill and Jacqueline, and he's going to show Joe, Jill and Jacqueline not only what went wrong in their life, but what happened.
Speaker B:How great the planet started off with and how bad it ended up.
Speaker B:Then they're going to say, hey, guess what?
Speaker B:We did it a different way.
Speaker B:My son came down, ruled the world, and we did it that way.
Speaker B:Now look at this.
Speaker B:Everybody's rich.
Speaker B:People are hating each other.
Speaker B:Okay?
Speaker B:People aren't stealing, lying.
Speaker B:You could trust the government.
Speaker A:That is so silly.
Speaker A:But isn't there supposed to be like.
Speaker A:If you read the translation, I remember reading the translation and that there's two heavens.
Speaker A:There's like a paradise and then a heaven.
Speaker A:Heaven.
Speaker B:Well, oh, there's.
Speaker B:That's a trickier concept.
Speaker B:There's actually kind of like three heavens.
Speaker B:Three.
Speaker B:One is the earth, the atmosphere around the earth.
Speaker B:The other is outer space, and the other for God.
Speaker B:God's throne is.
Speaker A:Oh, oh, wow.
Speaker B:And I believe the Apostle Paul used the term third heaven.
Speaker A:Oh my goodness.
Speaker A:I didn't.
Speaker A:I never really realized there were three.
Speaker A:I'm learning something new.
Speaker B:Okay, well anyway.
Speaker B:So anyway, because of the millennium and people doing things God's way, this plant will be fantastic.
Speaker B:People won't be hungry, starving, etc.
Speaker B:People won't be killing each other.
Speaker B:We must be sending money on their militaries.
Speaker B:Locks.
Speaker B:I hate locks, by the way.
Speaker B:I wish that.
Speaker B:Okay, passwords and second passwords and second party verifications.
Speaker B:Another frustrations.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:But so anyway, Scripture shows God is going to plead with his people.
Speaker B:And we believe that nearly everyone will accept God's plan of salvation.
Speaker B:They will accept Jesus and nearly everyone will be saved.
Speaker B:This is not a second chance.
Speaker B:By the way, we specifically mentioned places like Africa, but some of the Polynesian islands, parts of Asia, India, and even in the Americas and in Europe, all will have an.
Speaker B:A real opportunity and we believe the vast majority of humankind will accept that.
Speaker B:And, and again, while we've been called names for teaching this, it was actually the position of the early church.
Speaker B:Some modern scholars have known that, and unfortunately, it's not widely taught, but you've given me an opportunity to explain that on this program.
Speaker B:And again, and I, I know this sounds like a plug, but we're not selling anything.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:Book here, it's at ccg or you can click on books and booklets on the literature tab.
Speaker B:We don't ask for your email.
Speaker B:We don't ask for money.
Speaker B:We don't ask for anything.
Speaker B:Okay, so it's not like this is some trick to get, get you or anything.
Speaker B:You, you can, you can read it and study it, but it has scriptures.
Speaker B:And look, I've read the Bible over a hundred times, but until I put all the scriptures together and I'd heard, I knew some of them all right?
Speaker B:But all together it's like, wow.
Speaker B:And the Apostle Peter said it was from.
Speaker B:He used the term apocrates.
Speaker B:He said all the holy prop from all the holy prophets.
Speaker B:So I said that means I better go back and see if I can find something in all the prophets.
Speaker B:Now I think I have something from each book of the Old Testament, at least from the prophets that support.
Speaker B:Support the basic idea.
Speaker B:But, but people also, in terms of prophecy, by the way, salvation is prophecy.
Speaker B:You know, I know people think the prophecy is okay, and I, I've got prophecy about Armageddon, the rise of the beast, the Antichrist.
Speaker B:I just have, by the way, I just have a.
Speaker B:I have my latest book that's out.
Speaker B:Has to do with.
Speaker B:Could Pope Leo XIV be the last Pope and Antichrist?
Speaker B:Okay, so I, I'm familiar with all those kind of prophecies, but salvation is a prophecy.
Speaker B:It's a promise for something that happens in the future.
Speaker B:And God's plan of salvation, I believe makes sense.
Speaker B:And so if I'll be a black sheep for teaching that, that's.
Speaker B:We'll take, we'll take.
Speaker B:We'll take that chance.
Speaker B:That's why your, the name of your podcast was intriguing to me when it was brought up to me.
Speaker B:And so I thought, I thought we could have fun with this.
Speaker A:Yeah, I thank you.
Speaker A:Because, I mean, part of it, I mean, part of it is, is asking questions, you know, because, I mean, if we are to know God and get closer to him, sometimes it requires us to ask questions.
Speaker A:I mean, he gives us permission to test the, the spirits.
Speaker B:So he said, he said to do that.
Speaker B:He also Said test all things, hold fast what is good.
Speaker A:Right, right.
Speaker A:So like for example, like what you said earlier, you sang a song, you question it and the pastor just freely gave you an answer.
Speaker A:He was like, because people like it.
Speaker A:And so that really is like, wait a minute.
Speaker A:Just because people like it doesn't mean we're supposed to be singing this, you know, and, and that really changed your trajectory.
Speaker A:And by that changing your trajectory, it, it also is a journey with part of your relationship with Christ.
Speaker A:I mean, at the end of the day I don't think God is mad that we question things, you know, because creates curiosity and it allows us to get closer to him at the end of the day.
Speaker B:Well, I, I don't have it to hold up, but I've got a booklet probably behind me called is Is God's Existence Logic Logical?
Speaker B:And I think it absolutely proves that there's a God.
Speaker B:We got another one, proof Jesus is the Messiah.
Speaker A:Oh yes, that's on Amazon.
Speaker B:Well, they're all on Amazon, but you can also get an ebook free from going to my, our site.
Speaker B:Okay, but the reason I say this is I think you can prove that there's a God and I think it's smart to prove that there is a God.
Speaker B:I actually did a podcast recently and with a couple of people.
Speaker B:One was a, some kind of a doctor THD pastor and he wanted to talk about how improbable it was for life to do this or that.
Speaker B:I said no, no, no, no, no.
Speaker B:You can't argue with an atheist about probably probability because the atheist is going to say there's a bazillion planets and galaxies and time.
Speaker B:And I said no, you don't argue that.
Speaker B:I said, you argue impossibilities.
Speaker B:And so I went through several impossibilities.
Speaker B:Then he said, I concede to that point to you because you can absolutely prove that the idea that the so called educated, and these are falsely educated people, people who tell you that life somehow evolved without a creator there, the science doesn't back them up and there are many aspects of that that are the case.
Speaker B:But anyway, the reason I'm saying all this is you can prove that there's a God, once you prove there's a God.
Speaker B:You can also prove the Bible is His word.
Speaker B:We got a book called who Gave the World the Bible.
Speaker B:Also ccog.org proof Jesus the Messiah, you need to know that too.
Speaker B:Once you know that, then you can rely, you know, you can rely on the prophecies.
Speaker B:It's not like kinda, you know, I think it was the apostle Paul said a double minded man is unstable in all his ways.
Speaker B:He's the one that wrote prove all things hold fast, which is good.
Speaker B:And so it's not inappropriate so to question sincerely.
Speaker B:Of course.
Speaker B:Yes, I know a lot of people become cynics and critics and they have a certain bitterness and that unfortunate.
Speaker B:But you know, the Bible says it's to the glory of God to conceal a matter and the glory of kings to uncover it.
Speaker B:You say, yeah, but not a king.
Speaker B:You better read Revelation, become kings and priests and reign with Christ.
Speaker A:I am, I am royalty and so are you.
Speaker B:So, so, you know, we're, we're, you know, we're entitled, we're entitled to, to look and we, of course we should be respectful.
Speaker B:But yeah, I, I think you can, people can prove that there's a God.
Speaker B:I think you can prove the word of God is true.
Speaker B:I think you can prove that there's, that Jesus is Messiah.
Speaker B:Etc, etc.
Speaker B:Actually with the proof Jesus is Messiah first part, I've got a couple hundred, a couple hundred scriptures in the Old Testament that Jesus fulfilled the New Testament.
Speaker B:Well, you say, well the Jews would believe that and they've got their tradition, so why they don't.
Speaker B:But one of the chapters in here I quote from their own traditions.
Speaker B:Why if they believe their own traditions, they would accept Jesus the Messiah?
Speaker B:A lot of people, by the way, do not realize that Jewish tradition says there are two messiahs.
Speaker A:Oh, what, what would it be?
Speaker A:Jesus.
Speaker A:And then he's supposed to, to come back?
Speaker B:No, they don't use the word Jesus, but one is the son of Joseph, one is the son of somebody else.
Speaker B:One was supposed to be the suffering servant and the other was supposed to be the king who conquers.
Speaker B:That was actually in their literature.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:But most of them don't know that.
Speaker B:That's, that's a whole other.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:It almost feels like, you know, I just had this thought.
Speaker A:I, it just popped in my head.
Speaker A:Like prophecies is a way to show who God is and his power.
Speaker A:You know, it hasn't happened yet.
Speaker A:You know, we're all just sitting here waiting.
Speaker A:But when it does happen, it's like, oh, that was God.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:And it also, it also helps us make sense of what's going on in the world.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:We see certain things going on in different parts of the world, including this country, that we don't like.
Speaker B:And for me it was very calming.
Speaker B: When I wrote that: Speaker B:Some countries supposed to become highly indebted.
Speaker B:By the way, that's a prophecy in the book of the packet.
Speaker B:Certain other things that were, that are going on are going on right now with trade issues.
Speaker B:The United States has gotten a lot of countries mad itself.
Speaker B:So the European Union, by the way, who I believe will be the Babylon trading priest power.
Speaker B:Their head Ursula von der Lyon said, you know, we've got a lot of people at our group, which is 450 million.
Speaker B:She said there's 100 people of 150 million.
Speaker B:Other more want to join us.
Speaker B:We're going to be a big trading block.
Speaker B:So you know, people are calling my phone all the time trying to make a deal with us.
Speaker B:So we're seeing things happen that I believe align with end time prophecies.
Speaker B:And by knowing the prophecies, I don't freak out when one person or the other gets elected president or, or certain policies that I roll my eyes at.
Speaker A:You know, that's a true statement because one that I think about is the prophecy that I have in my head is there will be war and rumors of war, you know, you know, especially like Israel and Gaza, you know, Russia and Ukraine.
Speaker A:That, that kind of it, that Bible verse kind of brings comfort because it's kind of like, oh my gosh, what are they going to do?
Speaker A:You know, it could come over here.
Speaker A:But it, it, you're right, it does bring and be like, oh, we already knew that was going to happen.
Speaker A:You know, a rumor of a war.
Speaker A:Oh yeah, that's just some other conflict, that couple of people, Heaven, it'll be resolved.
Speaker B:Well also to quote Jesus from Matthew 24, which is where you kind of were, the end is not yet.
Speaker B:We're getting closer.
Speaker B:But the, the, the end is.
Speaker B:The end is not yet.
Speaker B:And a lot of people have tried to do various calculations of when they think the end will be, but Jesus didn't say, whoever has the best engineering, mathematical background, he'll know, she'll know when, when I'm coming back.
Speaker B:He listed various things and some of those things haven't happened yet.
Speaker B:Until those things happen, you know, we could be assured from words of Jesus, the end is not yet.
Speaker A:I like that one.
Speaker A:I like that one.
Speaker A:That's a good one too.
Speaker A:Because sometimes I'd be like, can we just have a few good years left?
Speaker A:I want to be able to, you know, retire, have a nice comfortable retirement or something, pop a lid.
Speaker A:Oh goodness.
Speaker A:The silly things that I think about in my mind.
Speaker A:Oh goodness.
Speaker A:Dr.
Speaker A:Teal, I just want to thank you for joining me today.
Speaker A:There are things that I have learned that I would.
Speaker A:There are things I haven't even thought about, and there are things that I have learned.
Speaker A:Like, I mean, in the end, I mean, when you think about the early church, it was just a bunch of dudes just trying to put it all together.
Speaker B:They were supposed to go and teach all things Jesus commanded.
Speaker B:That's what the apostles were supposed to do.
Speaker B:God inspired some of them to write some books, but they were.
Speaker B:They were men.
Speaker B:And you know, even Elijah the prophet.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:And I think it's.
Speaker B:James wrote it, but it's new.
Speaker B:It's a new Testament.
Speaker B:So Elijah, just a guy like us.
Speaker B:Yeah, that's what it says.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:People.
Speaker B:You know, one problem being Roman Catholic, if you will, you see these pictures, these halos and stuff around people, which is not from the Bible.
Speaker B:And it's like, oh, these people were just so far superior barrier.
Speaker B:Now we're supposed to look at everybody who's better than ourselves.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:Don't get me wrong, but these people were not superhuman.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:Beyond what a converted Christian would be.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:All right, so they're a little higher up with the how Jesus anointed them, but just regular people.
Speaker B:Yeah, we can.
Speaker B:So that's the thing.
Speaker B:Just remember that we are just spread to the people.
Speaker A:Yeah, I think that's a great way to end it.
Speaker B:So thanks for having me then.
Speaker A:Yeah, thank you.
