Ditching the Power Pose: Real Talk with Michelle Pippin on Authenticity
Michelle Pippin joins us today to talk about the intersection of faith and entrepreneurship. She’s all about empowering women to step into their power and build businesses that align with their values, all while keeping faith at the forefront. We dive into the importance of putting God first, not just in our personal lives but in our business ventures too. Michelle breaks down how the right order of priorities can make everything click into place, and let’s be real, it’s a game-changer. Plus, she shares her amazing platform, Women Who Wow, and how it’s helping women amplify their voices and accelerate their success. So, grab your headphones, kick back, and let’s get into it—this convo.
Michelle Pippin joins us to unpack the intricate dance between faith and entrepreneurship, and trust me, she’s got insights that will knock your socks off! Starting off, she lays down her core philosophy: faith, family, then finances. Michelle really dives into how this prioritization is not merely a suggestion but essential for true success. She hilariously points out that if we don’t put ‘first things first,’ it’s like trying to bake a cake without the flour. It’s a recipe for disaster! Her perspective on how we often overcomplicate things and forget to keep God in the loop is both refreshing and empowering.
Michelle also addresses the absurdity of traditional women’s business advice that focuses on “power poses” and “confidence colors.” She sarcastically critiques these surface-level tips. Instead, she advocates for a deeper understanding of grace and how it ties into our business endeavors. It’s all about doing the work and aligning our actions with our faith, which makes this episode a powerful reminder that we’re not just hustling for ourselves but for something greater.
Michelle shares her entrepreneurial journey that led her to found Women Who Wow, an empowering platform for women in business. She recounts her frustrations with the fluff that often fills women’s networking groups and how she sought to create something real and impactful. Through her stories, she emphasizes that true empowerment comes from authenticity and community, not from conforming to outdated norms. The episode wraps up with Michelle’s wisdom on leveraging media and visibility in a world inundated with noise, encouraging us all to step into our power and own our narratives. It’s an inspiring, sarcastic, and deeply relatable conversation that resonates with anyone navigating the entrepreneurial landscape.
Takeaways:
- Michelle Pippin emphasizes that faith, family, and finances should have a clear priority order in life.
- Putting things in their proper order helps us see how God blesses our actions, not just our plans.
- The importance of God's grace is often overlooked, but it's key to understanding our personal and business growth.
- Women entrepreneurs should seek empowerment through business, as financial independence is crucial for true empowerment.
- Authenticity in business means avoiding the temptation to conform to others' expectations or trends that don't fit you.
- Success in business often requires taking off the 'armor' of borrowed strategies that don't fit your personal style.
Links referenced in this episode:
Companies mentioned in this episode:
- Black Sheep Christian Podcast
- Michelle Pippin
- Women Who Wow
- Faith Filled Feminists
Transcript
Welcome back.
Speaker A:My name is Ashley, and this is the Black Sheep Christian Podcast.
Speaker A:And today I am blessed to have a conversation with Michelle Pippin.
Speaker A:Welcome.
Speaker B:Hey, there.
Speaker B:I'm super excited to be here.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:I'm so excited for you to be here, too.
Speaker A:We have connected, and your platform is amazing.
Speaker A:At first, it's so funny, because when we first connected, I was like, okay, businesswoman, Businesswoman.
Speaker A:And then the further I went in, I was like, wow, okay.
Speaker A:I'm really excited about this as far as looking at not just you as a businesswoman, but you as a sister in Christ.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:That's who I am at my core.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Like, I, I, I say, for me, it's, it's, you know, faith and then family and then finances, like the business, Right.
Speaker B:So I like to keep things in that order.
Speaker B:And honestly, when we do, it's, you know, there's like, we always have our part to do, right?
Speaker B:Like, God blesses what we do, not what we think or what we plan or, you know, say, but what we do.
Speaker B:We got to give him something to, to bless.
Speaker B:But at the same time, I feel like when we, when we put things in the proper order, then everything seems to, you know, seems to fall into place.
Speaker A:I like how the way you say that.
Speaker A:The proper order.
Speaker A:Yeah, because that is keys.
Speaker A:Because sometimes we'd be like, these things are important, but when we don't put them in the proper order, we'd be like, well, these things are important.
Speaker A:I just don't know why it's not working out.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And the thing is, like, God knows what's important.
Speaker B:I mean, I don't remember the Bible verse, but it says, you know, you know, don't, don't, like, run after, like, food or clothes or housing.
Speaker B:You know, like, God knows you have these needs, right?
Speaker B:And, and so it's like, it is important.
Speaker B:And, and so we still have to get our order straight, right?
Speaker B:Like, so it's important.
Speaker B:God knows it's important.
Speaker B:And, you know, and thinking I was reading this this morning, and I've been in, I've been reading kind of the books of the Bible that Paul wrote.
Speaker B:And so I was in Romans, and then I went to.
Speaker B:For what?
Speaker B:I forget what led me there, but, like, first Thessalonians, and each of them end with, you know, God's grace.
Speaker B:I leave, like, God's grace upon you.
Speaker B:I leave you the grace.
Speaker B:God's grace upon you.
Speaker B:And I feel like that's such a phrase that we just, we just gloss over.
Speaker B:We don't really think so much about it, and yet.
Speaker B:But that God's grace is like.
Speaker B:It is like an abundance.
Speaker B:It is a feeling of the heart and reflected in your life.
Speaker B:So the practical, the tangible, right?
Speaker B:Like God's favor, God's blessing.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:And I feel like sometimes, like, I. I never.
Speaker B:I'm particularly, I guess, sensitive to not like, veering into, like, prosperity gospel, you know what I'm saying?
Speaker B:Like, I feel like that leaves out a lot.
Speaker B:But, like, so I'm.
Speaker B:I'm very careful of that.
Speaker B:But, you know, God's favor is all those things that.
Speaker B:That are important to us, right?
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:And I was.
Speaker B:I was reading something else that says, you know, God's grace, which is unmerited favor, you know, like, God's grace is what leads us to repentance, right?
Speaker B:It's what leads other people to repentance.
Speaker B:And I feel like sometimes in Christianity, like, we get it so wrong, right?
Speaker B:Like, we go to our pulpit, whether it's a real pulpit or, you know, a Facebook live or whatever, a Facebook post, you know, you shouldn't do this, and you shouldn't do this, and you shouldn't do this.
Speaker B:And it's like.
Speaker B:And we're angry, and we don't like people who aren't like us if they don't worship like us, love like us, look like us, vote like us, right?
Speaker B:Like, all of a sudden we are, like, blaming and, you know, and it's like.
Speaker B:And there's a place, right?
Speaker B:Like, God's design has rules, right?
Speaker B:God's laws are.
Speaker B:Are effectual.
Speaker B:We.
Speaker B:We have to.
Speaker B:You have to consider those.
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker B:But at the same time, I love that, you know, God's favor, God's grace, like, the unmerited favor, the things that we could never earn are what caused us to repent and what we reflect into the world where we people should say, what does Ashley have that I don't have?
Speaker B:Like, right.
Speaker B:Like, she's only human.
Speaker B:Why?
Speaker B:Like, let's look at the favor on her life.
Speaker A:Yeah, well said.
Speaker A:I. I don't have anything to add to that.
Speaker A:Oh, well said.
Speaker A:Oh, a lot of times when people say something, I'm like, yeah, that's it.
Speaker A:We're done.
Speaker A:There's no more for me to add to that.
Speaker A:Thank you.
Speaker A:So switching gears, your business.
Speaker B:Wow.
Speaker A:Women who.
Speaker A:Wow, you're the founder of that.
Speaker A:Which I find to be a.
Speaker A:An exceptional cause.
Speaker A:Please explain.
Speaker A:Explain.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So for me, like, secretly, it's always been just about the woman, right?
Speaker B:So, like, entrepreneurship is the vehicle.
Speaker B:I am all about women being empowered.
Speaker B:Like, in this life.
Speaker B:And it's very hard to be empowered in other ways, right?
Speaker B:With your voice, with your presence and your living situation.
Speaker B:If you can't fund your own life, right?
Speaker B:It's very difficult to be empowered if you rely on and.
Speaker B:And, you know, I'm married.
Speaker B:I love my husband.
Speaker B:He's a public school teacher.
Speaker B:Like, we're completely together in this.
Speaker B:But, like, if you have to rely on anybody, like a.
Speaker B:A man, a dad, a government, like, whatever, to fund your own life, it's very difficult to be empowered.
Speaker B:And entrepreneurship, I found, for women is such a great vehicle.
Speaker B:Like, number one, if you've been in business for any amount of time, you know, it's like a crash course in self development, right?
Speaker B:Personal development.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:But too, it's like, it helps you, you know, clarify who you are, who you want to be to the market.
Speaker B:It's just a great gift to women.
Speaker B:As we pursue financial success, we have to, like, have these other things that are at work in us as well.
Speaker B:And also, as women, we have so many different roles, right?
Speaker B:I.
Speaker B:My husband is an amazing husband, amazing father, now an amazing great grandfather.
Speaker B:Like, we, like, he's an amazing man.
Speaker B:But women, we.
Speaker B:We carry a lot more, right?
Speaker B:Like, we don't just do for our mama, we do for their mama.
Speaker B:We don't just do for our cousins is there, right?
Speaker B:Like, we take care of the kids.
Speaker B:We're the ones to, you know, we.
Speaker B:We do all the things aging parents and.
Speaker B:And so I cannot imagine.
Speaker B:And the truth is, like, I have not had a job since.
Speaker B:For 26 years, right?
Speaker B:I cannot imagine being able to, you know, be a parent and having to call in sick.
Speaker B:You know what I'm saying?
Speaker B:Like, so anyway, so I.
Speaker B:My heart for women is what led me to this, like, vehicle of women in business.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:And also, like, I just discovered my passion for business accidentally.
Speaker B:My husband is a public school teacher.
Speaker B:I was pregnant, and I just couldn't.
Speaker B:I was already working like, 34 hours a week, and I had some flexibility there.
Speaker B:But the truth is, I'm young.
Speaker B:My parents are young.
Speaker B:Like, nobody was, like, waiting to watch my kids.
Speaker B:And I wanted to do.
Speaker B:It is no judgment on what anybody decides.
Speaker B:I just wanted to be home.
Speaker B:Like my very best friend, she's like, I realize I'm a better mother when I go away to work and I come home.
Speaker B:But for me, I wanted to be there.
Speaker B:And so I.
Speaker B:And it was 26 years ago.
Speaker B:Like, you heard rumors of people working from home.
Speaker B:You know, I'm saying, like, they were Licking envelopes, I don't know what they were doing.
Speaker B:You heard rumors you didn't know anybody who worked from home.
Speaker B:And so I started, you know, my business that way and I, I build myself that first year as an at home secretary because the term virtual assist and had not been created yet.
Speaker B:And I basically did whatever I could.
Speaker B:I call it like my anything for money tour.
Speaker B:And but in doing that I started looking around and I got better.
Speaker B:Like my first year I made $63,000.
Speaker B:And then I didn't realize that was good, but evidently it was.
Speaker B:I invested 50, I made 63,000.
Speaker B:And so then I got better and I started like, I kind of formalized.
Speaker B:I started like an HR company with a partner and then I did the coaching company.
Speaker B:And along the way I was like, I, I honestly, to be honest, I was, I was getting irritated because I would get like these like back then it wasn't really emails, but it was, you know, you see it in like the local advertorials, you know, about like women's groups for, for business owners.
Speaker B:And they were always like, you know, come and learn your power color or your power pose or like learn about confidence.
Speaker B:And like, what part of me being a woman makes you think I lack confidence, right?
Speaker B:Like I wanted to be in the rooms where the big stuff was being like talked about, where we were actually having discussions that matter.
Speaker B:We were talking about like marketing.
Speaker B:And I just, I was like, where are like the women coaches, the women speakers, the women veterinarians, the chiropractors, the independent physicians, like where they ain't going to learn their power color.
Speaker B:They're not doing it right.
Speaker B:They got a business to run.
Speaker B:And so I started.
Speaker B:Wow.
Speaker B:To meet that need.
Speaker B: en imagine, so Pre that well,: Speaker B:Wow.
Speaker B:I was doing business coaching and strategy and copy before that.
Speaker B:But when I started, wow.
Speaker B:I knew I could not stomach myself if it turned out to be like every other women's group for women in business.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:And so I literally, I was like, all right, so I'm going to grow wow.
Speaker B:By print invite only.
Speaker B:And the invite was like, you are cordially invited to attend like this in person meeting.
Speaker B:I did one a month and you had to pay like the invite was to pay and attend, but you couldn't pay and attend if you didn't get the invite.
Speaker B:And so I grew it like that every month.
Speaker B:And by the sixth month I had women from eight states coming into Virginia to come to this four hour meeting and I'm like, I'm on to something.
Speaker B: And so in: Speaker B:And I just, just recently made a shift.
Speaker B:I.
Speaker B:My first shift in probably 12 years.
Speaker B:And I, I'm calling it Women who out exponential, but it's more about exponential reach.
Speaker B:So we're doing media and I call it syndication or other people's stages and pages because a lot of women business owners, it's not that they doubt how amazing they are.
Speaker B:They know they do amazing work.
Speaker B:They do better work than the people who are getting all the attention and all this sales and they're just sick of being ignored.
Speaker B:And so I have like kind of a media empire that I've grown over the years.
Speaker B:So I've got some traditional media where like there's an editor.
Speaker B:I've got a, you know, I, it's like I've got my muck rat car.
Speaker B:Like, I'm a true journalist, but I still get to feature women entrepreneurs.
Speaker B: en entrepreneurs to follow in: Speaker B:It got picked up by Apple News.
Speaker B:It was like it went everywh.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Just recently, an article that I wrote, which is true journalism nobody paid to be in it was created by and for women and it was about the, you know, change in how women are becoming product creators.
Speaker B:And it featured like seven different.
Speaker B:Everything from like vulva cream to hair elastics.
Speaker B:Like, it was just a great article.
Speaker B:But so we've shifted women who.
Speaker B:Wow.
Speaker B:Shifted to.
Speaker B:We still have all of the coaching and stuff like that, but we really shifted to get that women entrepreneurs, the visibility.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:In the world of social media, everybody is like clamoring in the noisiest place ever to be heard.
Speaker B:And so I've never relied on social media.
Speaker B:I've always done real media.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:And the real media comes with gravitas and authority.
Speaker B:And you know, it just, you show up differently when you're headlining your own article than when you're like trying to figure out another trending audio to make your reel be seen.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:It's just.
Speaker B:So we're focusing more on the media end now.
Speaker A:Wow, thank you.
Speaker A:There's so much, so much I do like the fact that you said worrying about colors, like as if we're still dressing dolls, you know.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:Like, we do, we did like our Barbies, but we're, we're, we're big, we're done with that.
Speaker B:It's like my power pose is however I'm standing.
Speaker B:My power color is whatever I'm wearing, right?
Speaker B:Like, come on, we're grown up here.
Speaker A:Oh, but there's something in the end that also pointed out to me, which is funny because I wrote it down as far as looking at your stuff out there and that is the way you go about your business, as far as how to be seen.
Speaker A:And it really pointed out to me because you are right, I didn't.
Speaker A:Even though I am the era, Sally, of which social media came out of, but I didn't grow up with it, even though, you know, I came out of it.
Speaker A:And so social media today is quite interesting because it's funny because I was in Insta the other day just, you know, putting my Bible verses on there and of course you got to scroll, you know, why not?
Speaker A:And so now with AI being introduced, now there's just even more of Sora just was recently released and immediately my feed is beginning to show this AI content and I'm like, now there's even more noise than what it was.
Speaker B:It's so crazy.
Speaker B:And like I, and I would just say, you know, a lot of my work has been born out of some frustration, right?
Speaker B:So like women who wow was born because like I couldn't find a place where women like a women's group like this.
Speaker B:I tried to get on other stages, like co ed stages, but I was rejected.
Speaker B:So I'm like, well, okay, then I'll create my own stage.
Speaker B:And also you're not coming on in.
Speaker B:Not really.
Speaker B:But like, you know, I.
Speaker B:That's how I started my own stage.
Speaker B:And like with the, with the social media thing, I get so frustrated.
Speaker B:And again, like I've been doing this 26 years, so I get, I have a different perspective.
Speaker B:But social media is not a business, it's a tool.
Speaker B:It's not even a strategy, right?
Speaker B:It's a tool.
Speaker B:It's like, it's just one tool.
Speaker B:And so I'm there.
Speaker B:Like I post my blog post on Facebook because it's easy for me.
Speaker B:And that's where my oldest daughter takes it and syndicates it to wherever it needs to go, right?
Speaker B:Like, so I'm there, but I don't rely on it for my income.
Speaker B:I don't rely on it to be seen because that's silly, right?
Speaker B:So it's like to me, I'm thinking as a woman again, going back to empowerment of women, like for me to like wait to be seen, for me to try to figure out what the algorithm wants and then twist myself into a pretzel to try to get that, like, to, to try to please the algorithm.
Speaker B:It's just, if you wouldn't do it to catch a man, like, don't do it to catch a client or an algorith.
Speaker B:Just, this is common sense.
Speaker B:In regular world, we come to business, and all of a sudden we're like, what's the trending audio?
Speaker B:Well, what if we did this?
Speaker B:Well, what if we.
Speaker B:What if we started with our back to the camera and then turned around?
Speaker B:I mean, it's like, are you serious?
Speaker B:Like, that's not what people hire you.
Speaker B:Like, people hire me because they want to make a lot more money faster and easier, period.
Speaker B:End of story, right?
Speaker B:They don't want to play.
Speaker B:They don't want to, like, twist themselves into a pretzel, largely want to get paid for who they are, right?
Speaker B:Which is a whole different, you know, thing.
Speaker B:But, like, they want to make more money doing what they love without all the other stuff involved in it, right?
Speaker B:And so you gotta know that people aren't gonna hire you because you finally figured out the algorithm.
Speaker B:They'll just see you maybe.
Speaker B:And I'm thinking, and I always say when people join or if they, you know, come in for a higher level, like a day with me or whatever, my, My question always is, what are you depending on?
Speaker B:Like, what are you banking on?
Speaker B:What are you hoping for?
Speaker B:How.
Speaker B:How do you hope your business works?
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker B:And a lot with, like, names we know it's kind of like an.
Speaker B:And I tell people I'm going to ask this question ahead of time, right?
Speaker B:But it's like deer in the headlights.
Speaker B:And I'm like, no, no.
Speaker B:Like, what are you hoping is going to work?
Speaker B:Like, I just got to know what the hope is, because how do we measure it otherwise, Right?
Speaker B:To see if it's working.
Speaker B:I don't want to change what's working, but if it's not working, I got to know.
Speaker B:So I, I look at that, and I'm thinking, with social media, how do I hope it works?
Speaker B:If I'm counting on it?
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:If I'm counting on it, okay, well, I hope that the algorithm picks me up and that my people who know me will see me and they'll, like, you know, they'll like it or share it or whatever.
Speaker B:And then other people will see it, and they won't just see it and like it, but they'll like it enough to maybe get on my, my email list.
Speaker B:And, and maybe if they get on My email list.
Speaker B:Then they will get some free information and maybe they'll buy like a seven dollar, you know, See I'm like, that's too many babies, it's too long.
Speaker B:It's so crazy.
Speaker B:And again, we're the one chasing, we're the one pursuing, we're the one twisting.
Speaker B:Whereas media, whether it is podcast, you know, the non ego based media, the association journals, the industry journals, the paid to play media, right?
Speaker B:Like the business journals, which are not pay to play, they're the more traditional but like, right, right, that kind of stuff.
Speaker B:Social media disappears, it's a disappearing media, the other media accumulates, right?
Speaker B:It accumulates to where you are building something in real time and if you do it right, then people are coming to you, they're coming pre sold.
Speaker B:They're like, hey, I heard about you here.
Speaker B:I read your article here.
Speaker B:What can we do?
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker B:That's a better, that's a better play to wake up and people have emailed you than to wake up and wonder how you're going to catch their attention.
Speaker A:Yeah, I'm digesting and I think the best way to think about it is how the way you put it as when it comes to dating apps, we don't twist ourselves in a pretzel.
Speaker A:And I think if anybody could take anything away from that, it should be that.
Speaker B:It's so true.
Speaker A:Yeah, it's very true.
Speaker A:And I never thought about it that way, like with a couple of things that I tried and it's very true, you know, you try to change in order to fit, in order to be seen, but it doesn't work out.
Speaker B:And we wonder why we burn out.
Speaker B:You know what I'm saying?
Speaker B:Like burnout's not an issue if you are working in God's gracing, right?
Speaker B:Being yourself, like burnout is not an issue, right?
Speaker B:I always say, like make sure the fuel that fuels your business fuels you.
Speaker B:So like writing is what fuels me whether I'm writing in my journal or writing an article.
Speaker B:Like all of my business is a ruse to get me paid to write, right?
Speaker B:So I had written a couple like New York Times best selling books as a ghostwriter.
Speaker B:And so the last two I got in on the everything, the author, all those meetings I was in on, right.
Speaker B:I worked it into my contract and I realized that authors don't make that much money, right?
Speaker B:They really don't.
Speaker B:Even the big names like from the book and sound like, well, I'm not going to just write books, books because you know, I mean I do write books, but I'M not going to just write books.
Speaker B:That's just not a good financial play, right?
Speaker B:So I, I backed in.
Speaker B:I'm like, I know God has graced me as a writer.
Speaker B:And so I created women who wow.
Speaker B:A lot of the.
Speaker B:Deliver a lot of the content for women who wow is written.
Speaker B:Which works because successful women do not have a lot of time to sit on like a zoom every other day, right?
Speaker B:Like, they are not waiting for me to go live.
Speaker B:I assure you they are running six and multi, six and seven figure businesses, right?
Speaker B:So you know, the writing works.
Speaker B:And so if you think about how, like you think about how you want it to work, definitely don't twist yourself into a pretzel for what's popular, just like you wouldn't with a man, right?
Speaker B:It's like you think about the men you get when you do that, right?
Speaker B:When you've twisted, when you've compromised, when you've tried to be someone other than yourself.
Speaker B:Like, it's no big, it's no great prize what you get, right?
Speaker B:Same thing with clients.
Speaker B:And so, you know, to me it's.
Speaker B:If we just, if we just did.
Speaker B:Because business can do to everybody who wants you to pay them to help you grow your business, they've complicated it, right?
Speaker B:And it's like if you don't want to pay a dime in business coaching, but you want to make a lot of money, then just think, okay, would I do this to get a man?
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker B:If you would not.
Speaker B:Which rules out hopefully changing yourself, twisting yourself, chasing, following up.
Speaker B:Did you like me, but you forgot to text me?
Speaker B:You know what I'm saying?
Speaker B:Tolerating being ignored and ghosted and wondering how you can get their attention again.
Speaker B:All these things are ruled out, right?
Speaker B:All those business things are ruled out.
Speaker B:They don't work for a man, they don't work for business.
Speaker B:And, and that's a good thing, right?
Speaker B:Because if they did work, then we'd be still doing them, right?
Speaker A:Well said.
Speaker A:Well said.
Speaker A:You know, it makes me lead into this next question when it comes to.
Speaker A:Because we talked about ourselves and business and how we have in the past, hopefully what we're doing is in the past changed ourselves for something.
Speaker A:But you know, when I was also learning about you and reading about you, a question came to my mind and I said, why do we separate scripture from business as well?
Speaker A:It's as if in the world that business God has no place in business.
Speaker A:Even though, because I saw one of your, it was one of your videos, I believe it was.
Speaker A:Even though, no, it Wasn't a video.
Speaker A:It was on your website.
Speaker A:Because I read it on your website on bemichell pippin.com Bible even though there are plenty of scriptures when it comes to business and we separate those.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:It's so bizarre to me.
Speaker B:And, and again it's like now I grew up, honestly, I think sometimes like the dad you grew up with has an impact on how you see God, you know, Right.
Speaker B:Like God the father.
Speaker B:And so I'm, I know that I'm blessed.
Speaker B:Like I grew up with both parents, but my dad was even back then, I'm 48 years old.
Speaker B:Like my dad, even back then, before was popular, he was involved.
Speaker B:He like knew me like we.
Speaker B:He took me on dates to treat.
Speaker B:To teach me what to expect from a man on a date.
Speaker B:You know what I'm saying?
Speaker B:Like he would.
Speaker B:So he was very involved and active.
Speaker B:Like even though he was never into cheering or pageants.
Speaker B:Like he would practice with me, you know what I'm saying?
Speaker B:So it's not a stretch for me to believe that God the father cares about me, right?
Speaker B:The Bible says that he knows the hairs that we have on our head, that he knit us together in our mother's womb, that we were born with a purpose and good works planned ahead that we were to do.
Speaker B:Like, you know, God cares about us and if we, if he didn't care about our human experience right then he wouldn't have given us a human experience.
Speaker B:He didn't have to do that.
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker B:So to me, and I'm like, I.
Speaker B:That if, if anybody goes to bmichellepippen.com backslash Bible they can get a free like 21 truths for biblical truths for business success.
Speaker B:And it is and all the.
Speaker B:By the way, that's also becoming a book and some super pumped about that.
Speaker B:It's in editing right now and it's just so much good work.
Speaker B:I mean the Bible, like think about what we were just talking about, right?
Speaker B:Like twisting ourselves, trying to look like her, do our hair like her.
Speaker B:And the truth is like I've always had a super strong sense of self.
Speaker B:Like I don't ever want to betray myself.
Speaker B:But also I grew up very, very middle class.
Speaker B:Like probably lower middle class, right.
Speaker B:So when I first started like speaking on big stages and, and again the big stages were mine, right?
Speaker B:Like they became big because I had big people like Gary Vaynerchuk, Mel Robbins, both spoke at my event in New York.
Speaker B:You know, I'm saying for free as an aside different separate conversation.
Speaker B:You can get any big speaker to speak on your stage.
Speaker B:You're free if they're publishing a book because they have, you know, they have to be on different pages.
Speaker B:If you're in their area, they're not traveling to you.
Speaker B:But what.
Speaker B:You know, I would speak on these big stages, and I saw how the other girls, like, dressed.
Speaker B:You know what I'm saying?
Speaker B:Like, and how, like.
Speaker B:But I didn't think, like a. I. I don't wear suits or hoes, you know what I'm saying, personally.
Speaker B:But, like, I also didn't know I could pull that off, if that makes sense, right?
Speaker B:I'm always gonna be in, like, a sundress and, you know, cowboy boots or jeans.
Speaker B:You know what I'm saying?
Speaker B:Like, I'm gonna look good.
Speaker B:I'm gonna look fresh, a presentable.
Speaker B:I'm always gonna do my hair and makeup.
Speaker B:But, like, I almost.
Speaker B:I didn't copy them because I didn't think I could, to be honest.
Speaker B:I didn't know that.
Speaker B:I didn't think I could pull that off.
Speaker B:And so in the Bible, I.
Speaker B:One.
Speaker B:One thing I always think about with how we do business, whether it's like a.
Speaker B:A strategy, a platform or whatever, is David, when he went to deliver food to his brothers, they were on the battlefield, and this Goliath was, like, taunting them, you know, And David's offended for himself, for his people, and for his God.
Speaker B:And he's like, who's gonna fight this person, right?
Speaker B:Because, like, this is too much.
Speaker B:He's taunting us, right?
Speaker B:And the king is, like, getting into delusions, and he's like, no help.
Speaker B:And the men are afraid because he's definitely going to kill whoever he fights.
Speaker B:And David's like, I'll do it.
Speaker B:Like, I'm gonna fight him.
Speaker B:And so he goes in.
Speaker B:And it's funny because in the Bible, King Saul is obviously a desperate man.
Speaker B:And he's like, all right, well, give him the king's armor, right?
Speaker B:The king's armor.
Speaker B:This is, like, the best of the best this is ever.
Speaker B:You know, this is the best you could ever hope for.
Speaker B:It's probably the safest.
Speaker B:You, you know, think about, like, you know, car seats, you know, like, the cheap ones.
Speaker B:This is expensive.
Speaker B:This is safe.
Speaker B:Nobody's killing you in this armor.
Speaker B:It's the king's armor.
Speaker B:And the Bible doesn't say that.
Speaker B:David rejected it right out.
Speaker B:He tried it on, and he said, I can't.
Speaker B:He said, I'm clumsy in it, essentially.
Speaker B:He's like, it's.
Speaker B:It doesn't fit me.
Speaker B:I can't fight in this.
Speaker B:And I'm like, oh, my gosh, what a great testimony.
Speaker B:Because, you know, for us in business, right?
Speaker B:Like, that to me is a perfect analogy because it's like, try on the strategies, try on the social media platform.
Speaker B:Try whatever you know is.
Speaker B:Is.
Speaker B:You know is.
Speaker B:Is drawing your eye.
Speaker B:But then be willing to say, it doesn't fit me.
Speaker B:I can't walk in this.
Speaker B:I can't fight like this.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:And it's like, that's how you create a.
Speaker B:A strategy based around your own gracing.
Speaker B:Try it on and then say, nah, what are my core tools?
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker B:Like, you want to take David's example and be willing to take it off.
Speaker B:And I feel like when I look at the most frustrated business owners, men and women, but, you know, they are.
Speaker B:They're like wearing somebody else's armor, doing someone else's strategy because it's definitely going to work and it worked for this person.
Speaker B:Or it's new and it's like, oh, you're so.
Speaker B:You're clunky, you're clumsy.
Speaker B:It's not.
Speaker B:It might work for them, but it's not going to work for you.
Speaker B:You got to do what works for you.
Speaker B:So anyway, but.
Speaker B:And there's so many Bible verses.
Speaker B:Like there's one in Proverbs or proverbs that says, you know, people love the one who sells grain and hates the one who hoards it.
Speaker B:We don't think about that, but we have something people need.
Speaker B:And what.
Speaker B:We don't sell it like we have something people need.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:We sell it, like, to.
Speaker B:In a timid way.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Or the Bible says it's better for other people to sing your praises than for you to do it.
Speaker B:This is a roll of testimonials and selling.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:There's so much amazing guidance in the Bible and they can get it for free in that Bible thing.
Speaker B:It's just.
Speaker B:And then eventually I'm going to do it on the Kindle Unlimited.
Speaker B:So the full book, it's.
Speaker B:So I just was reading through it myself.
Speaker B: I wrote it in: Speaker B:And so I've got some updates since then.
Speaker B:I've had some big life changes.
Speaker B:So I. I lost my brother and my only sibling and in a motorcycle accident.
Speaker B:And so, you know, I. I've changed.
Speaker B:And God's word hasn't changed, but some of my analogies and stuff have changed.
Speaker B:So anyway.
Speaker B:But it's the Bible.
Speaker B:It's a great business strategist.
Speaker A:Agreed.
Speaker A:Agreed.
Speaker A:We just don't think of it that way.
Speaker B:No, we.
Speaker A:It's I don't even know how we think of it.
Speaker B:It's almost like irrelevant is how we think of it.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:Irrelevant as like a collection of stories that don't have any reach into our world, right?
Speaker B:And I am like, I, I don't know, I'm, I'm just so, you know, you like anything, you go through kind of phases.
Speaker B:I am like so in love with the Bible again, you know, like sometimes it does, I think for all of us.
Speaker B:It kind of gets like stale.
Speaker B:You're like, lord, show me something, because I'm reading the same old crap.
Speaker B:You know what I'm saying?
Speaker B:But like, I just, like, I'm just blown away by how practical the Bible is.
Speaker B:And, and I like, I dig into different words and it's just like God cares for us in our human experience and you know, a lot of times as Christ followers, we'll talk about salvation, right?
Speaker B:And that's huge.
Speaker B:I mean, that's it.
Speaker B:Like, you know what I'm saying?
Speaker B:Like, if you lose that or, you know, if you miss that boat, you've missed a lot, right?
Speaker B:You've missed everything.
Speaker B:But that's just one of God's promises for his people, right?
Speaker B:And we steer, steer clear of the other promises and, you know, and the other like, benefits of walking in God's grace and his favor.
Speaker B:So, yeah, I don't know.
Speaker B:I, I think that the words you're looking for is irrelev.
Speaker B:We look at it as so irrelevant and something we should read and like, oh, I'm sure it was good once upon a time, but not relevant for our stuff today.
Speaker B:And nothing could be further from the truth.
Speaker A:Right, Agreed.
Speaker A:Thank you.
Speaker A:Yeah, thank you.
Speaker A:Because I mean, you are completely right in every way.
Speaker A:There's nothing more that I need to add.
Speaker A:There's nothing more now when it comes.
Speaker A:Because like what we said, you do have the be Michelle Pippin.com backslash Bible.
Speaker A:It is a free resource, which is amazing because I signed up and there are, I'm just going to point out just a few things for.
Speaker A:And it's not.
Speaker A:And particularly on the.
Speaker A:My mind has left words.
Speaker A:Words have left my mind, which is really three things that we talked about today that I want to have people to walk away with, which is the wow.
Speaker A:X process, which is anchor, amplify and accelerate.
Speaker A:And I think these are three great things for our viewers to walk away with, which we talked about, which is amplify as far as the second about the message.
Speaker A:And then we talked a little bit with anchor as far as not twisting us, twisting ourselves in a pretzel, but accelerate.
Speaker A:I think it's the last thing that we haven't really talked about, which is that momentum.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:So I want to circle back to anchor for a second because a lot of times, like, we concern ourselves with the competition and we concern ourselves and how.
Speaker B:How many of us haven't thought, is this too saturated?
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker B:You know, you know, am I too late to the game?
Speaker B: ow, I remember distinctly and: Speaker B:i'll never forget it.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B: le work from home in the year: Speaker B:And I distinctly remember thinking it was one website, right?
Speaker B:I remember distinctly thinking, oh, man, like, if only.
Speaker B:You know, I wish they hadn't done that.
Speaker B:Like, I would have liked to have done that.
Speaker B:You know what I'm saying?
Speaker B:Like, there's room for like, those two and no more, right?
Speaker B:But we do kind of have that feeling a lot.
Speaker B:Like, is there too many people doing this?
Speaker B:Is there a real need?
Speaker B:Is it.
Speaker B:Is the.
Speaker B:Is the market too saturated with X?
Speaker B:Whatever X is for you.
Speaker B:And so the anchor part of Wow X is so critical.
Speaker B:And I tell you, it's like, it's just like sneaking in veggies to your kids, right?
Speaker B:Like, they don't want the veggies, but they need the veggies.
Speaker B:And with wow.
Speaker B:X, like, I've been doing this a long time, right?
Speaker B:I know people want.
Speaker B:Want the media, right?
Speaker B:They want that, they want to share it.
Speaker B:And like, I'm gonna give it to you.
Speaker B:It's all, yeah, I'm gonna give it to you.
Speaker B:But in the midst of that, I'm gonna sneak in the identity stuff, right?
Speaker B:The anchor stuff, right?
Speaker B:So the first artifact, visibility artifact you create within Wow.
Speaker B:X is it follows the system of.
Speaker B:Or the template of expert, you know, dispels myths in industry, right?
Speaker B:Why?
Speaker B:Because that is a tangible way to use media to immediately set yourself apart from any and every competitor, right?
Speaker B:It's like it allows your twisted little view on whatever you sell to be.
Speaker B:To take center stage, right?
Speaker B:So the anchor is to anchor in to that which they are not going to get anywhere else, right?
Speaker B:What do you give?
Speaker B:Whether it's what or how or whatever, right?
Speaker B:That, that you shaped hole in the market.
Speaker B:We're gonna zero in on that.
Speaker B:That, and then the amplify Using the media and the accelerate.
Speaker B:Now I've been doing this a long time, but like when, when I lost my brother, I was in such, it was sudden and I was in such deep grief and I have, my parents are both alive.
Speaker B:So watch.
Speaker B:And I'm a mother.
Speaker B:So like watching your parents go through that, watching the kids go through that, like, and then my own grief, like losing a sibling is unique because it's your past, it's your present.
Speaker B:Like it's, it's.
Speaker B:I don't even know.
Speaker B:It's a very, very unique and profound loss.
Speaker B:And he and I were closer than close.
Speaker B:And so after that time, like you know grief, you don't outsmart, you don't hurry.
Speaker B:You know what I'm saying?
Speaker B:So I literally like me who writes and publishes every single day like at least 355 days a year, right.
Speaker B:Like because I want to, I stopped, I got nothing, right.
Speaker B:Like I like for like first two weeks, like all I could post for like Bible verses is all I had.
Speaker B:And, and even during that probably a year, 14 months of really active grief.
Speaker B:And then after that I took over my parents construction company which is a multimillion dollar a year construction company.
Speaker B:And I was running both simultaneously.
Speaker B:So I had really stepped back from everything like of creating new content.
Speaker B:And actually the leads kept coming in because I have over years I have built kind of like an army of people who syndicate my content and they never syndicate the, the, the new content.
Speaker B:They always go back a year is kind of what, what we allow them to do a year from like a year ago and then back for 20 years, however long you can find it.
Speaker B:And I've got bookkeepers, accountants, business attorneys, other memberships who take my content and they distribute it it right to like in their newsletters and their association journals, things like that.
Speaker B:And so when you anchor into what they're not the U shaped hole that something they're unlikely to get elsewhere.
Speaker B:You amplify it through media, both owned media that you own, like your podcast as well as having the media share it and then you accelerate it by syndicating, right.
Speaker B:So you think about like the, the Ann Landers column, right?
Speaker B:She wrote it once and it syndicated everywhere.
Speaker B:That's the acceleration thing.
Speaker B:We too often create content for that one sake.
Speaker B:And it's like we should always ask where else should this content live?
Speaker B:Who else should be sharing it, right?
Speaker B:So like your content.
Speaker B:So my content is about making money, right?
Speaker B:And so co working spaces, small business bookkeepers and accountants and virtual assistants, they always share my Content because if their people stop making money, they stop paying for that co working space, the bookkeeping and the accounting.
Speaker B:Does that make sense?
Speaker B:So the acceleration is all in taking your existing stuff, not creating.
Speaker B:You do create new, but you don't have to create new.
Speaker B:Taking it and having other people share it so that it serves them, it serves their market, and it's constantly carving new paths to your door.
Speaker A:Well said.
Speaker A:I learned so much.
Speaker A:I'm gonna go back and I'd be like, I feel like I'm in a class.
Speaker A:Like, I should have been taking notes.
Speaker A:I should have been writing things down just like in college.
Speaker B:But honestly, it's a little bit of common sense, right?
Speaker B:Like, to me, because I started business before there was a business development industry.
Speaker B:That's important, right?
Speaker B:So when I first started reading books about, like, what had to happen in business, I'm like, oh, I did it wrong, right?
Speaker B:You know, I'm making, you know, mid six figures, but I did it wrong.
Speaker B:I don't know how, you know, and it's like, then I started realizing, well, these people don't know what they're talking about, right?
Speaker B:Like, mostly in the business development industry, they confuse, they complicate, and like, the things I'm talking about here, it's like, this is common sense stuff.
Speaker B:All right, I'm going to create content.
Speaker A:Sure.
Speaker B:Put on social media.
Speaker B:It's kind of like a best practice, this no big deal, right?
Speaker B:Put it on social media.
Speaker B:But where else should it live?
Speaker B:Who else would be really happy to share this valuable content with their list?
Speaker B:Like that to me is like, you know, almost like if you lived in the Great Depression, like, how many different ways can we use the cup?
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker B:Like, you know, you want to make sure that you're being a good steward of your content.
Speaker B:And how many.
Speaker B:Like, the reason the 21 biblical truths for.
Speaker B:For business success, the reason that's becoming a book is it is so freaking good.
Speaker B:And I'm like, I am not gonna hide this under a bushel.
Speaker B:Oh, no.
Speaker B:I'm gonna put it out there as a Kindle unlimited, right?
Speaker B:Like, I'm gonna put it out there so people can grab it.
Speaker B:And we want to feel that way.
Speaker B:We want to be good stewards of the content that we create.
Speaker B:And to me, it's like, if you just think, like, what's the normal, natural, like, organic result of what I'm doing?
Speaker B:It'll guide you, right?
Speaker B:So a lot of times it's like, what's the normal, natural, organic result of being on social media?
Speaker B:I don't know, like, I don't know, like maybe people see you, maybe they don't figure out, you know, like, whatever.
Speaker B:But the normal, natural, organic result of a bookkeeper sharing how to make money content with their list serves them the person getting it and me, Right?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Do you think with we.
Speaker A:There's so much.
Speaker A:Do you think with the way how information about how trying to find my words using David and Saul, for example, you know, David putting on the armor.
Speaker A:Do you think with us today, as far as putting on the armor, is.
Speaker B:It.
Speaker A:Wrong advice or is it sometimes like trying to create confusion or gatekeeping as far as.
Speaker A:When it comes to information, as far as how people should run and start businesses today.
Speaker B:So if I'm being totally honest, I do think there is some gatekeeping.
Speaker B:I do think there is some willful wrong information, right?
Speaker B:Meaning it serves me and it doesn't serve you.
Speaker B:And I know it doesn't serve you, but it serves me.
Speaker B:So I'm gonna do it, right?
Speaker B:So like, yeah, so that's one.
Speaker B:There's the other version of that which is, I don't know, it doesn't work because I'm so new in my own business and so green in my own business.
Speaker B:But I think that selling business success is easier to sell than say, weight loss success.
Speaker B:I'm gonna go this direction.
Speaker B:And so I'm selling stuff that I believe works, but I'm so green, I don't know that I'm selling bs.
Speaker B:Does that make sense?
Speaker B:Like, I don't know yet.
Speaker B:It's just like a person without children giving parenting advice, they believe it and they just have no clue it doesn't work, right?
Speaker B:Because they're not in the game.
Speaker B:And so I do think there's that.
Speaker B:But mostly I think it's not so much wrong advice.
Speaker B:It's just not right for you, right?
Speaker B:So it's like you gotta find something that fits you.
Speaker B:And again, so like, like every business requires fuel, right?
Speaker B:Just like our kids need to eat our business, you know, we have to fuel the engine of our business, right?
Speaker B:We've got to put output so that we can have income.
Speaker B:So to me it's like make sure that that fuel fuels you.
Speaker B:I'm not going to do something that drains me because what if it succeeds in my business?
Speaker B:Then I'm going to be drained all the time, right?
Speaker B:So it's like, what fuels you?
Speaker B:What kind of.
Speaker B:I mean, I can build a business around anything, right?
Speaker B:So like, if there's one lady who came.
Speaker B:I used to have this event called, it was a nine month program called Birthing an Empire and it was meant to get to six figures in six months.
Speaker B:And you know, anyway, like, and I'm like, give me a challenge, like, what do you love to do?
Speaker B:Like, what do you do when you are not getting paid and you're going to do it whether you get paid or not?
Speaker B:And she enjoyed wine on the deck with her husband, right?
Speaker B:And I'm like, well that's okay.
Speaker B:That's an interesting one.
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker B:But we created like a whole.
Speaker B:But she served physicians and physicians take home so much stress about running the office and the profitability of their office that they're unable to enjoy that time on the deck.
Speaker B:So anyway, we built the whole thing a newsletter.
Speaker B:Like her image, like her logo of her podcast became her and her husband on the back deck.
Speaker B:Like we actually built, built a brand around that so that she could share something that was so close to her heart and turned it into a business engine.
Speaker B:So, you know, it's not something that's wrong advice, it's just like it might not be right for you.
Speaker B:So I'm not saying that social media doesn't ever work, right.
Speaker B:I'm just saying I'm not going to chase the algorithm enough to know if it works for me or not.
Speaker B:That would exhaust me, right?
Speaker B:Like I'm not going to live online.
Speaker B:I'm not going to make my life a presentation necessarily.
Speaker B:So I'm not, you know, so that's just not going to work for me, right?
Speaker B:If you hate writing, then, you know, my, like me writing now.
Speaker B:I teach people to do written, visual or audio.
Speaker B:I don't care what it is.
Speaker B:But like if, if my course was on writing, don't pay for it because it's going to drain you no matter whether it works or not, whether it brings in, you know, high paying clients or not.
Speaker B:So I think as far as the David thing, it's like, like it's some of it, the gatekeeping, some of it is willful deceit, other is, is, you know, is ignorance.
Speaker B:They don't know that.
Speaker B:They're selling bs.
Speaker B:But most of it is does it work for me?
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker B:It could be great advice, but is it right or wrong for me?
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:Thank you for that.
Speaker A:I the reason why I asked that question because I enjoy reading.
Speaker A:When I wake up, I sadly have my news app and I don't read, it's not news, but my Apple News app because Apple News gives you more than just regular news.
Speaker A:And so it's like, you know, the Forbes and the fortune.
Speaker A:And so it's just like this continuous.
Speaker A:I'm just digesting information continuously.
Speaker A:And sometimes I'd be coming across some of these articles with these big names.
Speaker A:I mean, they're billionaires for a reason, right?
Speaker A:And so sometimes they say things and I'm like, is that true?
Speaker A:But you're like, but they're a billionaire, though, you know, so it's got to be true somehow.
Speaker A:But sometimes, like what you say, it's BS because you'd be like, listen, down here at the bottom of Mount Everest, as an aunt, I know that this doesn't make sense.
Speaker B:Well, and also it's like I.
Speaker B:To give them, I guess, to be generous towards them.
Speaker B:Like, they.
Speaker B:It's hard to remember.
Speaker B:And I will say, just as far as, like, I chronicled my grief journey, right?
Speaker B:And it's like.
Speaker B:And I did it deliberately because I was so, like, once, I, you know, pray at the month mark, you know, the first month, I don't know what I did.
Speaker B:But like, I. I'm like, I want to help other people with this, right?
Speaker B:And if I look back, I'm going to clean it up in my own mind.
Speaker B:Mind.
Speaker B:Does that make sense?
Speaker B:Like, I'm gonna clean that up.
Speaker B:Because when you're going through it.
Speaker B:So sometimes I think these people are so distanced from what they did to get from point A to point B because they're at point Z or point Y, right?
Speaker B:And some.
Speaker B:So I think sometimes it's just like the way our mind works.
Speaker B:We clean stuff up, right?
Speaker B:We make it tidy.
Speaker B:When success is a messy game, success is cooked up in a messy kitchen.
Speaker B:That's the truth, and that's the truth for everybody.
Speaker B:But when I'm teaching it, you and me both, like, when I'm teaching it, I'm trying to teach in a way that's orderly, right?
Speaker B:Like I'm trying to teach in a way that makes sense, so some of the mess gets left out.
Speaker B:So that when you and I are trying to follow that process and it gets messy, we think we're doing something wrong.
Speaker B:No, success is cooked up in a messy kitchen, right?
Speaker B:The other thing that I feel like is left out of the.
Speaker B:The big, like the big stories with the big names are the additional resources at play, right?
Speaker B:So as an example, if I'm gonna say how to get your own segment on insert morning TV show, right?
Speaker B:And I don't reveal that I'm married to a producer, you know what I'm saying?
Speaker B:That's a big.
Speaker B:That's a big deal, right?
Speaker B:Or I think, like, if you.
Speaker B:Like, if you're saying, okay, well, here's the way to get on.
Speaker B:You know, podcasting was how I built my business, but I forgot to say that I spend $15,000 a month on ads.
Speaker B:You know what I'm saying?
Speaker B:Like, but I'm selling a podcasting course.
Speaker B:So I think that there's, like, there's a lot of that.
Speaker B:So I always look and say, what am I missing?
Speaker B:Not because, I mean, I am kind of suspicious by nature, but, like.
Speaker B:Like, I always want to look at, like, what do they do regular?
Speaker B:Not, what are they selling me, right?
Speaker B:Not what are they selling me?
Speaker B:What do they do?
Speaker B:Like, because success leaves clues.
Speaker B:What are they doing?
Speaker B:And it's like, what is their.
Speaker B:What's.
Speaker B:What's their system?
Speaker B:And it's just like, I tell this example all the time out new.
Speaker B:I don't know why it stuck out to me, but Jillian Michaels, right?
Speaker B:I don't know if you'd remember back when she was, like, selling, like, DVDs, right?
Speaker B:The workout DVDs.
Speaker B:And I saw this interview, and I like her, and I.
Speaker B:And I liked her workout videos, and I bought them, but I saw this, like, interview, and they said, you know, and then at that time, she was, like, selling supplements and, you know, whatever, right?
Speaker B:Aunt licensing her name and stuff.
Speaker B:And they said, well, what do you depend on, right?
Speaker B:Like, what is the one thing that you can't do without?
Speaker B:And I'm thinking, yeah, I've been buying all her stuff, and I'm thinking, well, she gonna name one of her supplements or one of her go to workout programs, Whatever, whatever, right?
Speaker B:And she says, jogging, I can't live.
Speaker B:I can't maintain my body.
Speaker B:I can't maintain my mental health without jogging.
Speaker B:And I was like, isn't that something, right?
Speaker B:Like, jogging is hard to monetize, right?
Speaker B:Hard work in business is hard to monetize.
Speaker B:So you sell, you know, this course or that course.
Speaker B:So anyway, but so I think that you always want to look for, like, what do they do if they're truly successful, they didn't marry into it or inherit it.
Speaker B:Like, if they're successful, their actions have left clues.
Speaker B:And so you can always look.
Speaker B:I always say, like, before I buy something, I'm like, are they doing what they're selling?
Speaker B:And, you know, and to me, I think that that can rule out a lot of the.
Speaker B:The Charlotte hand advice, right?
Speaker B:Are they doing what they're selling?
Speaker B:Because if they're not walking the talk just like a pastor, right?
Speaker B:Like, yeah, they're not walking the talk.
Speaker B:I don't want to sit under them.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:I don't know the whole story.
Speaker A:That's well said.
Speaker A:That almost reminds me of something that my dad, advice my dad gave.
Speaker A:Just working for a company, if you have a job and then he, he said always watch the executives.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker A:Because if the executives are saying something but they're doing something, then that is, that can clue you in on what you need to do as far as to protect yourself.
Speaker A:Whether you know, if it's instructional.
Speaker A:Yes, yes, yep.
Speaker B:And I tell you like, so insert like whatever name like the, you know, like let's take one that you know, you hate to use anything with political stuff now.
Speaker B:So let's take.
Speaker B:Who's the Apple guy?
Speaker B:He's no longer cook.
Speaker A:Oh, Steve Jobs.
Speaker B:Steve Jobs.
Speaker B:Okay, let's take Steve Jobs.
Speaker B:So like a lot of people would want Steve Jobs money.
Speaker B:Yeah, right.
Speaker B:I'll sign up for that.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:But it's like, but they want no part of waking up at 4am reading three newspapers, you know, working in a garage for X number of years, taking on that level of risk with like debt.
Speaker B:You know, you see what I'm saying?
Speaker B:Like so for me it's like behavioral congruency will give you results.
Speaker B:Congruency.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:And so but a lot of times we want the results and we're not willing to do the behaviors and it's, it's totally fine.
Speaker B:Like I remember one of my early clients, still, still a client for some of my larger events.
Speaker B:But I remember she said, I said what are your goals?
Speaker B:And she said I want to be one of the first self made female billionaires.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:And at the time I was at the helm of a million dollar a year company and I was like, and I was like it was built not I was wearing someone else's armor for sure.
Speaker B:I walked away from that rebuild in my own way.
Speaker B:But like it was in, in like I like to tell the whole story.
Speaker B:Like the million dollars a year is 1.2.
Speaker B:Like it did not translate down to like my bank account.
Speaker B:It was so, it was like make the profit more.
Speaker B:It was the wrong business, but whatever.
Speaker B:So I took home more money in other businesses but still like reaching that 1.2 million.
Speaker B:I was proud of it.
Speaker B:But she said something about billion.
Speaker B:And I'm like oh.
Speaker B:I immediately I was like, nah, I'm not willing, I'm, I'm personally not willing to do what it takes to reach a billion because I know what it takes to reach 1.2.
Speaker B:Like for me, I, I like to work with like those nanopreneurs, those micropreneurs, right.
Speaker B:Where it's like anything like 1, 1.2, 2.4, like you know, 3.3.
Speaker B:All of those are kind of million.
Speaker B:Like those are the same.
Speaker B:When they break down to what the founder gets as like a six hundred thousand dollar business.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:So I don't want the simple highest profit, highest profit like businesses.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:So it's fine to not be willing to, to do what they do.
Speaker B:Just don't lust after what they have because you're not willing to do what it takes to get it right.
Speaker B:Like I love, I love what I build and, and you know, I, I keep it, I can keep it really simple.
Speaker B:But if I chase that billion, I'm going to complicate my life.
Speaker B:I'm going to stress myself out, probably die early and, and you know what.
Speaker A:That'S a good point because using David as an example, David wanted to build God's temple.
Speaker A:He wanted to build God's church.
Speaker A:And God was like, not for you.
Speaker A:So instead of being able to build it, he did it in a different way, you know?
Speaker A:You know, as far as conquering those lands, as far as beginning the process of securing, I'm just going to call it assets, I think that's the best.
Speaker B:Way of saying, yeah, sure.
Speaker A:Of securing assets for his son to be able to do that because you know, we may be able because I mean when you think about David had the resources.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:It just wasn't, it just wasn't.
Speaker A:It just wasn't God's plan for him.
Speaker A:That's right.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Well said.
Speaker A:Leaving.
Speaker A:We there's so many nuggets for, for all of us today and I do, before I ask the final question, I do want to thank you for joining me today.
Speaker A:Your story is amazing, beautiful and I am grateful that for you to follow God's plan that you are able to be here to share us, what, what he has gifted you.
Speaker A:So thank you.
Speaker B:Thank you.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Thank you for having me.
Speaker B:I, I, I'm a yes.
Speaker B:Whenever anybody asked me to come on and share on a podcast.
Speaker B:I think it's a great way to reach people and, and I really appreciate the opportunity to, to, to talk and meet you, but also to maybe get a relationship with your, your listeners.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I'm so grateful.
Speaker A:Before I Forget, B. Michelle Pippen.com Backslash Bible Great resource.
Speaker B:Oh and you know what?
Speaker A:I didn't even, I apologize because you are the founder of wow.
Speaker A:But also because I said in the very Beginning.
Speaker A:You also have a group, group of the Faith Filled Feminists, which is biblical devotions for strong women in Christ.
Speaker A:And so that is also a group that I think for ladies to be able to reach out to.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And it's always free.
Speaker B:So like I, I love what we're doing there.
Speaker B:It's, it's starting kind of slow, but I'm just loving it.
Speaker B:We are having the best conversations and, and I want to kind of take it more into like a traditional, like the way we're used to like a Bible study where like Tuesday you meet, you have daily things.
Speaker B:So it's evolving, but it's such great women and such great conversations and anyway, so.
Speaker B:And all you have to do is just join the Facebook group.
Speaker B:And there's never, there's not a fee.
Speaker B:There's never going to be any fee.
Speaker B:And, and it's not business specific, but you know, it's just like, it's just like with my business.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:So I, I don't run a Christian business.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:There's no such thing.
Speaker B:A business can't be Christian.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Like a person be Christian.
Speaker B:But like everybody knows my world view is, is Christian.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:So I'll say things like in my worldview or the way I see it, or you know what I'm saying, I'll use biblical analogies or Bible verses and it's not the focus.
Speaker B:But in my faith filled feminist group, like I love business, so a lot of my analogies are business.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:So it, it cross pollinates.
Speaker B:But, but yeah, if you join that group, I don't think you'll be disappointed.
Speaker B:It's, it's such a cool thing and we're getting real with the Bible and real with each other and, and so it is only going to continue to grow.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Beautiful.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So two areas to reach her at.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:So my final question is I'm asking the spirit to give this to me because I don't think what I wrote down is good enough.
Speaker A:So my final question really isn't a question, but more of just to give advice.
Speaker A:And with your journey as an entrepreneur from the beginning till now, however you want to look at it, what is one thing that you were amazed that, that, that God showed you?
Speaker B:I think there's so many things like, I think that one thing which we already talked about is just the common sense, practical application of the Bible for business and life.
Speaker B:I think that's, that's one thing I've been amazed at how God has shown me that his plan for health, marriage, relationships with Your parents, business, all the things, it's kind of all the same, right.
Speaker B:Which that's why it's.
Speaker B:The Bible says seek first his kingdom and righteousness and all these other things we added to you because what is required of us to be successful in any area of our life, the God given principles, they apply across like that to me, I feel like has been one of the most amazing things that's been, I feel like revealed to me and I just want to shout it from the rooftops, right?
Speaker B:So it's like, you know, whether, whether your biggest challenge right now is financial or health or relational, like your way out is going to be through like appropriate measurement, right?
Speaker B:Like God there's Bible has a lot to say about scales.
Speaker B:He wants accurate measurement, right?
Speaker B:So like, you know, accurately measure where are you.
Speaker B:Like, let's take stock of it.
Speaker B:Let's vision what has not.
Speaker B:Like the Romans says that, you know, the God who brings life to the dead and calls things into being, which we're not, right?
Speaker B:So we're to call things into being that we're to line up with God's word in terms of obedience that we're to look to the Lord, right.
Speaker B:When we, when things get bad in our life, we're just like Peter on the water.
Speaker B:He's walking on the water.
Speaker B:He's walking on the water, right?
Speaker B:He was fine until he looked around.
Speaker B:And we are too, right?
Speaker B:Like we keep our eyes on God and that's where we, we see the miracles that we are praying for, right?
Speaker B:But where we fall and start drowning is when we start looking around at our circumstances.
Speaker B:And so I feel like God revealing like just like my plan is my plan is my plan.
Speaker B:Salvation, marital, you know, satisfaction and longevity, you know, health, all of it, right.
Speaker B:It's just, it's all laid out for us and, and it's all the simple stuff that requires faith.
Speaker A:Wow, thank you.
Speaker A:That's beautiful.
Speaker B:Yeah, thank you for having me.
Speaker B:This was really great.
Speaker B:It's great way to start a week.
Speaker A:It is.
Speaker A:Well, thank you.
Speaker A:I just want to thank you and I also want to thank our viewer.
Speaker A:And remember, God is love.
Speaker A:And God wants you to show his love to the world.
Speaker A:Until next time.
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