Episode 519
The Junia Legacy: Where Daughters Get Their Own Junior Title!
Dr. Tamara Nall is shaking things up with her groundbreaking Junia Naming Tradition, the first-ever formal naming convention for daughters to carry their mothers' names. Seriously, how did this not exist before? It’s about time we ditch the outdated “Junior” titles for boys and give the ladies their due. We dive into the whole journey of legacy, identity, and the wild ride of creating a naming system that celebrates mothers and daughters alike. Tamara shares her personal story and the heart behind this movement, plus we chat about the upcoming National Junior Day on March 1st—mark your calendars, folks! It’s not just a celebration; it’s a bold step toward recognizing women’s contributions and legacies in a world that’s often overlooked them.
Dr. Tamara Nall, the visionary founder of the Junia Naming Tradition, dives deep into the world of names and legacy in this lively episode. Buckle up, folks, because we’re not just talking about the usual ‘my kid is named after me’ fluff – we’re getting into the nitty-gritty of why women deserve a naming tradition that honors their lineage just like men have with the 'junior' title. Dr. Nall shares her personal journey, revealing how the absence of a formal naming system for daughters hit home when she was expecting her own child. With a mix of humor and heartfelt anecdotes, she reflects on the societal pressures surrounding motherhood and identity. It’s a wild ride that not only challenges the status quo but also sparks a movement that’s gaining traction across the country. Who knew a name could carry so much weight? This isn’t just about throwing a suffix at a name; it’s about reclaiming identity and celebrating the legacy of women everywhere.
As we meander through the conversation, Ashley and Dr. Nall explore the emotional landscapes of naming and identity, touching on personal stories that resonate deeply. From the struggles of infertility to the joys of motherhood, their banter is both relatable and enlightening. Listeners will find themselves reflecting on their own names and what they signify. The episode is sprinkled with witty sarcasm, drawing attention to the absurdity of how society often views women’s roles in legacy building. It’s a call to action and a reminder that names carry history and power, and it’s about time we start giving women their due. So grab your headphones and get ready to rethink what it means to pass down a name – it’s about more than just a title; it’s about heritage, identity, and making sure the next generation knows where they came from.
And let’s not forget the legislative push that Dr. Nall is spearheading – because why just talk about change when you can actually make it happen? We delve into the nitty-gritty of getting Junia recognized in legal systems, which is no small feat. It’s a fascinating look at how grassroots movements can lead to real change, with a healthy dose of sarcasm about the bureaucratic hurdles. The episode wraps up with a sense of hope and empowerment, urging listeners to join the Junia movement. Whether it’s signing petitions or simply starting conversations, everyone has a role to play in ensuring that our daughters can carry on their mother’s names with pride. So, tune in and get inspired to make a difference – because this isn’t just another podcast episode; it’s a rallying cry for legacy and recognition in the grand tapestry of life.
Takeaways:
- Dr. Tamara Nall has created the Junia naming tradition to honor mothers by allowing daughters to carry their full names, just like sons do with 'Junior.'
- The podcast dives into the emotional and cultural significance of names, especially how they connect us to our identity and heritage.
- Tamara shares her personal journey of trying to conceive and how it led her to realize the importance of passing down names and legacies.
- The conversation highlights the absurdity of societal norms that often ignore women's contributions to family legacies compared to men's.
- Listeners are encouraged to celebrate National Junior Day on March 1st, a day dedicated to honoring mothers and daughters sharing names.
- The episode emphasizes the need for grassroots movements to advocate for new naming traditions, showing that it's never too late to start meaningful conversations.
Links referenced in this episode:
Companies mentioned in this episode:
- Junia
- junialegacy.com
Transcript
Welcome back.
Speaker A:My name is Ashley, and this is the Black Sheep Christian Podcast.
Speaker A:I'm just going to let you all know I'm really excited today.
Speaker A:I have Dr. Tamara Null with me.
Speaker A:She has reached out.
Speaker A:Thank you for being here today.
Speaker B:Thank you for having me, Ashley.
Speaker B:I'm really excited about our.
Speaker B:Our powerful, impactful discussion, Ro.
Speaker A:Oh, man.
Speaker A:So let me read your intro, and I'm gonna let people know why I'm excited.
Speaker A:Okay, so I'm gonna read your profile intro.
Speaker A:So visionary founder of JUNA naming tradition, bestselling author and legacy architect.
Speaker A:I was like, cool.
Speaker A:Wow.
Speaker A:She's all over the place.
Speaker A:I wish.
Speaker A:I wish my ducks were in a row.
Speaker A:But this is what got me in the second.
Speaker A:In the second paragraph.
Speaker A:For centuries, sons named after their fathers have been honored with the title junior.
Speaker A:But what about daughter?
Speaker A:I created juna, the world's first formal naming tradition for daughters who carried their mother's full name.
Speaker A:So when I read that, I was just like, this is what I was going through with my daughter.
Speaker B:Oh, wow.
Speaker A:If we.
Speaker A:18 years ago, more than 18 years ago, we'd have another Ashley butt in.
Speaker A:But in my situation, it was different.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:So pregnant at a wedlock.
Speaker A:And so there's like, it's a girl.
Speaker A:And it's interesting because.
Speaker A:Because I'm the oldest too, but for a girl, it's interesting because it was kind of like for her to be a junior, but it was for him.
Speaker A:So his name.
Speaker A:He passed away, but his name is Jason.
Speaker A:And I was like, how.
Speaker A:What can we do with his name for a female now?
Speaker A:I didn't.
Speaker A:In society, I didn't think about Googling it at the time because I was.
Speaker A:My mind was like, in cultural norms, like, this is what we're in.
Speaker A:And so for her, ended up being Jay Lynn.
Speaker A:And so with his passing, various children that were born after my daughter kind of did something similar as far as the J name, kind of honor him in some way.
Speaker A:But.
Speaker A:But.
Speaker A:But when I saw this, and.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:And then another thing too, is I'm talking too much, and I apologize.
Speaker B:No, please.
Speaker A:Too.
Speaker A:Is name is identity in many ways.
Speaker A:And so I. I know when my daughter became a teenager, she was like, can I take your last name?
Speaker A:Instead of like.
Speaker A:Like she was going through an identity awakening, I guess you could call it.
Speaker A:So when.
Speaker A:When you reached out and I read that second paragraph alone, I was like, oh, my goodness, this is what we went through.
Speaker A:And before she was born, after she was born.
Speaker A:And so this is amazing movement.
Speaker B:Oh, thank you.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:No, thank you.
Speaker B:I love that.
Speaker B:So I get the J.
Speaker B:Now.
Speaker B:Where did the Lynn come from?
Speaker A:So the Lynn is from Grandma.
Speaker B:Okay, got it.
Speaker A:Y. Yep.
Speaker A:The Lynn is from grandma.
Speaker B:Yeah, My middle name is Lynn.
Speaker B:L, Y, N. I'm like, oh, Jaylen, that's.
Speaker B:That's precious.
Speaker B:That's precious.
Speaker B:But, yeah, you know, just to give a little bit about my history and my background.
Speaker B:So I was always focused on my professional career, then my entrepreneurial career, then my investor career.
Speaker B:And it never.
Speaker B:We never.
Speaker B:We just don't talk about the fact that there is a ticking clock, if you will, for women and the healthiness of our eggs.
Speaker B:No one talked about that.
Speaker B:I was just like, okay, when we're ready to have a family, we'll have a family.
Speaker B:And my husband had been very patient throughout the years of, you know, I'm not ready.
Speaker B:You know, I want to get to this level and that level and the next level, et cetera.
Speaker B:And then it's like, oh, now I'm starting my company.
Speaker B:So that was.
Speaker B:So when we were ready, when I finally said, okay, let's start, we went through so many rounds, so much money of ivf, and the embryos would just never be viable.
Speaker B:And there was even a chance.
Speaker B:I remember we were in the IVF clinic, and, you know, you take the little ultrasound and you can see all the little eggs and.
Speaker B:And you can see your reserve through, you know, and it was like, it looks like caviar, you know, if I'm honest.
Speaker B:And I remember the nurses and everybody.
Speaker A:Was like, oh, it's Easter.
Speaker B:It's Easter, It's Easter.
Speaker B:And so I was so excited.
Speaker B:And then you have to wait a certain number of days.
Speaker B:And I got the call that none of my eggs had matured enough to be inseminated.
Speaker B:And I remember that weekend, you know, my husband's like, it's going to be okay.
Speaker B:Don't worry.
Speaker B:But, I mean, he had no earthly idea emotionally what I was going through, particularly since people were jumping up and down the clinic, and I told them, don't ever do that again, you know, And I was in the room crying my eyes out for the entire weekend, Friday, until I had to get up on Monday, because I had people that depended on me to show up for them.
Speaker B:And so we tried and tried and just could not get viable embryos.
Speaker B:And so finally we got egg donors.
Speaker B:So we do have seven embryos now for four females and three males.
Speaker B:And we're really happy.
Speaker B:They're graded, they're healthy and all of that.
Speaker B:So we're ready for that.
Speaker B:Next step.
Speaker B:But when I think about me as being a black woman, and I think about the fact that, you know, my ancestors survived the transatlantic slave trade, and there were so many families that were totally eliminated, that means we come from a powerful people to be here.
Speaker B:And now if you look at my family tree in terms of DNA, it ends with me.
Speaker B:And when you're thinking about, oh, setting up wheels and trust and what have you and what are you going to do with your future, and I do encourage everyone to think through that.
Speaker B:No matter how much you have or how little you have, try to set it up, because we will all have our day, right?
Speaker B:You just want to make sure that things are prepared for those that you leave, left behind and all, you know, what you.
Speaker B:Your.
Speaker B:What you own and all of that, it was sad.
Speaker B:Like, I would leave just crying because it ends with me in terms of DNA.
Speaker B:And then I prayed about it, and God told me, it's okay, Tamara.
Speaker B:You know, your parents gave you more than your genetics that they gave you, like, how to be a good citizen, a good Christian, a good person, a hard worker, like a happy person.
Speaker B:I love to laugh and all of that.
Speaker B:I just celebrated my 50th in March.
Speaker B:So, yeah, so it's like water.
Speaker B:I say water, Christ, prayer and sleep, you know, and a lot of laughter, and you got all that.
Speaker B:But I still wasn't settled.
Speaker B:I still was like, I want something.
Speaker B:Like, I just wanted something.
Speaker B:And I don't live with regret, except for that one thing was like, why didn't someone just tell me if I would have had to eat ramen noodles for a year or two years to pay for it to freeze my eggs earlier, then I would have done that.
Speaker B:And then I was just walking one day, and I said, well, why don't I just name my daughter after me?
Speaker B:You know, that's what I can leave.
Speaker B:That can be my genetics, my DNA.
Speaker B:And talk to my husband.
Speaker B:He said, oh, okay, well, that's a great concept.
Speaker B:And then me being the type a person that I am, I'm like, okay, well, how is that formalized?
Speaker B:And I did research, and there was no formal convention to have a suffix for when a mother named her daughter after her.
Speaker B:And so I said, well, I'll just create one, you know?
Speaker B:And so I did research, and I wanted something that wasn't so far removed from Junior so that it could be received and embraced.
Speaker B:And that's where I came up with Junior.
Speaker B:So now you can name your daughter after you.
Speaker B:Comma J U N I A or comma J N. You can do that now on birth certificates.
Speaker B:And in fact There are over 30,000 daughters named after their mothers in the US now, but they don't have that suffix.
Speaker B:And so I created Junia.
Speaker B:And if you go to our website junialegacy.com There is sample status, naming ceremony, because it should be special, it's just to give you ideas, but you should totally change it however you want to.
Speaker B:There's an official declaration of rights, there's an official certificate.
Speaker B:And so we wanted to create things and infrastructure out there so that people can make this a special moment.
Speaker B:And in fact, depending on when you have to use your name, you can, if you can type it in, you can go ahead and use it.
Speaker B:But it's when you get to a point where there's like a drop down and it's not available.
Speaker B:And that leads me to where we are now, which is going down this legislative path of getting approval, so getting co sponsorship and getting legislation passed so that it can be approved and accepted.
Speaker B:Accepted and added for vital statistics and passport services and Social Security.
Speaker B:Social Security and all those places where that would count.
Speaker B:But it is, and I don't know why it hadn't been done before and I've gotten so much support from it.
Speaker B:And it's about legacy because there is a name.
Speaker B:You have junior little boys all the time, grown men all the time, happy to be a junior.
Speaker B:Now we're going to have little girls that are thrilled and happy to be juniors.
Speaker A:Yeah, thanks for correcting me.
Speaker A:I apologize for saying it wrong.
Speaker A:But yeah, this is the website for all who are wondering what it looks like because, you know, there's scams out there but you know, you'd be like, am I at the right place?
Speaker A:Yeah, this is the website.
Speaker A:And you know, it's interesting because with my experience, even though it's different, does create like this, it's kind of like, well, why not like, like, you know, my daughter will be my only child.
Speaker A:That's just how it happened.
Speaker A:That did I want more?
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:That's just not how it played out to be.
Speaker A:And so for us to dismiss women to be able to pass down, as you say, not just DNA, but also knowledge, wisdom and faith.
Speaker A:Why can they not be that vessel?
Speaker A:And a name is part of that vessel.
Speaker B:Yeah, no, absolutely, absolutely.
Speaker B:And I lost my mother 10 years ago.
Speaker B:And so, you know, sometimes it feels like yesterday, sometimes it feels like 20 years.
Speaker B:And even in terms of knowing that I'm going to raise children without her there, it's just like mind Boggling.
Speaker B:I. I'm like, I don't know how I'm gonna do it.
Speaker B:It'll all work out.
Speaker B:But to me, that was also encouragement, too, to find something to kind of like, continue legacy.
Speaker B:So, you know, it's life experiences.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah, it is.
Speaker A:It is.
Speaker A:And you have me.
Speaker A:Well, I open up my Bible anyways.
Speaker A:But when I was researching, it's funny when it comes to scripture, because there are just.
Speaker A:It's like, there.
Speaker A:And you'd be like, how did I miss that?
Speaker B:Because the apostle in the Bible.
Speaker A:Yes, yes.
Speaker A:So for those who like to know, it's in Romans 16, 7.
Speaker A:And it is just.
Speaker A:It's just a quick reference.
Speaker A:She's just there.
Speaker A:And it is a moment for some contacts for others.
Speaker A:It's a moment when Paul is just.
Speaker A:Just writing, hey, co workers, love you.
Speaker A:Miss you.
Speaker B:Exactly.
Speaker B:Never heard it like that.
Speaker B:I love that.
Speaker B:I'm gonna borrow that.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:And with.
Speaker A:With her.
Speaker A:Let me see here.
Speaker A:I don't.
Speaker A:I. I don't know.
Speaker A:I know I'm gonna be butchering this first name because he's got this first name in there, and I have not gone to school yet, but he greets a M P L I A T U S Ampolitus.
Speaker A:Okay, that's the best I could do.
Speaker A:And then her.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:But anyways, he goes, my fellow Jews who have been in prison with me.
Speaker A:So she's with him.
Speaker A:They are outstanding among the apostles, and they were in Christ before I was.
Speaker A:And that's the NIV version.
Speaker A:So he's like, these people are amazing.
Speaker B:Amazing.
Speaker B:You know, and she's only mentioned once in the Bible.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:Know that she was the feet.
Speaker B:The only female mentioned.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker B:Outstanding.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:Once.
Speaker B:Like, and.
Speaker B:And that's how it is.
Speaker B:And I think that.
Speaker B:That now that I'm thinking about, I never thought about it before, but, you know, as women, we are bold, we are trailblazers.
Speaker B:We're innovators, and we don't talk ourselves up all the time.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:You know what I'm saying?
Speaker B:But we can still have that power with just one mention of our name.
Speaker B:And that's what I think about Junia.
Speaker B:Like, wow.
Speaker B:Like, how powerful was she?
Speaker B:And she was only mentioned once.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker B:No.
Speaker B:No bragging.
Speaker B:No anything.
Speaker B:Willing to be imprisoned for her beliefs.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:That's legacy.
Speaker B:That's strength.
Speaker B:That's power.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And you know what?
Speaker A:When I.
Speaker A:When I read that, the fact that she was in prison, I'm thinking, are you with other men?
Speaker A:Are you like.
Speaker A:Like, like, what is this environment?
Speaker A:Are you the only female in there.
Speaker A:Like, I, I had.
Speaker A:There was too many questions.
Speaker A:Paul, come on now.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Give us a little bit more, will you?
Speaker B:I mean, we know she's outstanding, but.
Speaker B:Yeah, so are many women.
Speaker B:Give us a little bit more.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:What does she do?
Speaker A:I mean, is this, I mean, our prison?
Speaker A:Like, and, you know, I thought to myself, like, oh, my gosh, what were prisons back then?
Speaker A:Were they co ed?
Speaker A:Like, I'm always thinking, men are in these prisons, like, in time.
Speaker A:The Bible is in there.
Speaker A:I just.
Speaker A:I just never had these thoughts.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And the way you read it and the way one could imagine was like, okay, yeah, we're in here for our beliefs and that's what we're going to do.
Speaker B:Maybe we playing Uno, like, they're outstanding.
Speaker B:We're having a good time.
Speaker B:And Junior, she's cool, too.
Speaker A:Exactly.
Speaker A:Now with also doing research, unfortunately, it's kind of sad because as incredible as she is, there are.
Speaker A:What I've read is there are people who are contradicting if she was who she was, she could have been.
Speaker A:And he.
Speaker A:And that's what's just so sad about women just in general.
Speaker A:In the entire, in the entire book, like, there's always doubt surrounding someone.
Speaker B:I mean, to me, there's enough.
Speaker B:There's enough out there to let me know she was a she.
Speaker B:Yeah, that's number one.
Speaker B:And then number two, I mean, I think everybody wants to be relevant at some point, so you're going to have people that are going to be ticking away at what's there.
Speaker B:But he did say she and I have to believe that.
Speaker B:And none of us were there.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:So what we can speak to is what we know, that she was in prison, that she was an apostle, that she was outstanding according to Paul, and that she was tied to her beliefs and probably set an example for Paul because.
Speaker B:Because she was there in her beliefs before Paul was.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker B:If we, you know, even let other people have their thoughts and their perspectives and we can just stick to the little facts that we know from that one verse.
Speaker A:Right, right, right.
Speaker A:But, yeah, I'm really blessed for that.
Speaker A:Thank you.
Speaker A:Thank you for that.
Speaker A:When.
Speaker A:So I know you spoke about your, your next steps as far as making.
Speaker B:This.
Speaker A:National, making this to be able for people to do the social securities.
Speaker A:Where are you in that path?
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:So we have made a lot of progress.
Speaker B:We've been recognizing Times Square on the big screen.
Speaker B:That was a couple of months ago.
Speaker B:And if you go to our site soon, we don't have it up yet.
Speaker B:We need to Add that.
Speaker B:But we do have it on our YouTube channel.
Speaker B:So that's there.
Speaker B:I believe it's on our YouTube channel.
Speaker B:I'll have to look and see.
Speaker B:So we're on all the social media platforms.
Speaker B:So tick tock, Instagram, YouTube, we have our website, we have that.
Speaker B:We have a national petition through change.org so if you look up Junior Legacy, it should be there.
Speaker B:And it's we need the support.
Speaker B:So when we go to legislatures, we need to show, hey, look, we have these thousands of people that support this and think that it's a great idea.
Speaker B:We also have started a campaign, a financial campaign because it is going to take money to like get the lobbyists, et cetera, through that.
Speaker B:And we have to do like there's a two year cycle.
Speaker B:So our plan is to use the first two year cycle to really go to different congress folks and senators, et cetera, to let them know about it.
Speaker B:If it passes the first two years, great.
Speaker B:But what I have found and have been told that there have been some stuff that it takes more than one cycle.
Speaker B:So we need to be ready for that and manage our expectations about that.
Speaker B:March 1 is official national Junior Day.
Speaker B:So yes, it's going to be nationally celebrated as being the first formal naming convention for daughters named after their mothers.
Speaker B:And that's going to be March 1st.
Speaker B: irst day to celebrate will be: Speaker B:But we're going to have all these different activities and blasts and campaigns before then as well.
Speaker B:I all.
Speaker B:We also had a video shoot and a photo shoot of our Junior models while.
Speaker B:And it was a room of nine little babies and toddlers with their mothers.
Speaker B:And it was so diverse.
Speaker B:I mean, it was just amazing.
Speaker B:I was in tears.
Speaker B:The mothers were in tears.
Speaker B:For some of them, it was their first modeling gig and they were all paid for it.
Speaker B:Because I'm like, you know, we want to make sure that we celebrate people and not just ask for stuff for free.
Speaker B:So they definitely got that.
Speaker B:And some of them, this was the launch of their modeling careers, both for the babe babies and the moms.
Speaker B:And then that will be used in a lot of videos.
Speaker B:So what if I could give ask two things?
Speaker B:It would be if you so would love to.
Speaker B:We would love for people to go to junior legacy.com and donate.
Speaker B:It is we have a partnership with a nonprofit called AOE where 100% of those donations will go to move the movement forward and you get a tax deduction.
Speaker B:Can't beat that.
Speaker B:And so we're excited about that.
Speaker B:And then also just signing up to say, you know, you know what?
Speaker B:I know this congressperson in my state, whether it's a mayor, a city council, senator, whatever, whomever it is, please let us know because we need to begin to have those conversations.
Speaker B:And when we do walk the Hill, we'll invite you to come forward because they will only really meet with you if it's a constituent from their local community.
Speaker B:And so since I'm here in Virginia, I would need to.
Speaker B:We can go and partner together and then sign the petition so that we can show people that, hey, this is a movement and there are a lot of people that are backing it.
Speaker B:So we have different ways that people can get involved, get engaged, share, like, comment on all of our social media.
Speaker A:Wow, thank you.
Speaker A:Okay, I'm going to put that on my calendar.
Speaker B:March 1st.
Speaker A:I, I, you know, it's just so interesting because it's like after all these years, it's, it's like we waited too long for this, but it's better late than never.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And you're not the first.
Speaker B:There was just someone whom I interviewed.
Speaker B:I think her daughter's in her 20s, and she was like, well, maybe it's not too late.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And, you know, a lot of people say that even if they already have a daughter, they're like, well, maybe my next one.
Speaker B:I would.
Speaker B:I mean, why not?
Speaker B:We never ask questions when we name a son after the never.
Speaker B:It's just like, assume junior.
Speaker B:And you know what?
Speaker B:There will be junior and then there'll be the, the third and the fourth and the fifth.
Speaker B:And, and in many, in some cultures, they already do that.
Speaker B:It's just we'll now have a formal suffix.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:And, and not only that, as I'm also thinking too, as well, it is, the suffix puts boys and girls on the same playing field.
Speaker A:Because when we think about culture and then even scripture, you know, some females, you know, were able to, were able to get it.
Speaker A:I'm thinking about.
Speaker A:But they had help.
Speaker A:I'm thinking about Ruth.
Speaker B:Was it Ruth?
Speaker B:Ruth, yeah.
Speaker A:Was it Ruth?
Speaker A:I'm thinking about.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:I'm thinking about.
Speaker B:Well, what's the context?
Speaker B:I need to know the context.
Speaker B:You were saying that that help.
Speaker A:It was.
Speaker B:I prayed.
Speaker A:Sons die.
Speaker A:Mom's like, yeah, I'm, I'm, I'm done.
Speaker A:Ladies, go.
Speaker A:Go back to your homes.
Speaker A:Because husband died, sons died.
Speaker A:The one's like, no, I'm with you.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:And then they, they ended up to hold their own for, for a little bit, but she ended up getting remarried.
Speaker B:But.
Speaker A:Where.
Speaker A:Where was I going?
Speaker B:It was about now.
Speaker B:You know, boys and girls have their own standing.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:Thank you, girl.
Speaker A:I'm just trying.
Speaker B:And to your example, there are many, like, daughters and mothers are tied.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:You know what I'm saying?
Speaker B:They're tied.
Speaker B:I was like, where you go?
Speaker B:I go.
Speaker A:Yes, yes.
Speaker A:Most definitely.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Because I know with me and my.
Speaker A:With me and my mom in our relationship, I don't.
Speaker A:I don't think I'll ever be far from her.
Speaker A:I can't imagine myself being far from her.
Speaker B:Such a blessing to still have your mom alive.
Speaker B:Such a blessing.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:But you know what?
Speaker A:I.
Speaker A:It is, and I'm grateful because my mom lost her mom at a very young age.
Speaker A:And so sometimes when I think about it, I mourn of a strong woman, a quiet.
Speaker A:She seemed like she was a quiet, strong woman.
Speaker A:And sometimes I just mourn not to know.
Speaker A:Not knowing that, not to be able to feel that, you know, So I can only imagine.
Speaker A:But I just only have a taste what it is to be without a moment.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And that's why I do tell people.
Speaker B:I'm like, if your parents are here, your aunties and your uncles are here, like videotape and record their stories, etc.
Speaker B:My aunt told me, and I actually reached out to her last night.
Speaker B:I was like, what was my great great aunt's name?
Speaker B:She seemed so exciting, and I want to write a little novella about her.
Speaker B:But basically, this woman had a juke joint in the countries in.
Speaker B:In the country woods of Alabama.
Speaker B:And I mean, they had all kind of things going on, you know, moonshine, gambling, all that kind of stuff.
Speaker B:But she never got married, she never had children, but supposedly she had seven boyfriends and.
Speaker B:And they all knew about each other.
Speaker B:And it was like, you know what?
Speaker B:Either you got to understand this or you don't.
Speaker B:And so I don't know why that's so intriguing to me.
Speaker B:Not that that's the kind of lifestyle that I would have.
Speaker B:Want to have, but it's just like, I mean, wow, that you could demand that.
Speaker B:And then there are just so many stories about my mother's childhood that I want to kind of archive and collect.
Speaker B:And so this junior movement has sparked a number of things just in terms of my knowing about my legacy.
Speaker B:And quite honestly, I actually just got back from Ghana and it was my second time.
Speaker B:I'd been there over two decades ago, and I'm.
Speaker B:I do want to go back to my village and see my aunties and look them in the face, etc.
Speaker B:So the movement has, has kind of sparked a re.
Speaker B:Reignited legacy.
Speaker B:And knowing my family and, and all of these stories to be told.
Speaker A:Yeah, that's beautiful.
Speaker A:I would like to be able to have that opportunity.
Speaker A:But that, that, that's beautiful that you're able to do that.
Speaker A:And you know, in some, in some cultures, I mean the females were, were the leaders.
Speaker B:Oh absolutely.
Speaker A:There were plenty of males.
Speaker B:But they're like in South Africa.
Speaker B:I forget which tribe it is.
Speaker B:Yeah, it's matriarchal and, and the queen, if you will, makes all the decisions.
Speaker A:Yeah, oh yeah.
Speaker A:So why can't we have a Judah?
Speaker B:Exactly.
Speaker B:And we do, we do.
Speaker A:So with this being because if I remember correctly in my notes, I'm trying to find this.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:The world's first formal naming tradition.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker A:Has.
Speaker A:How.
Speaker A:What are the walls?
Speaker A:What are the walls?
Speaker A:What am I talking about?
Speaker A:What, what is it outside of these borders as far as learning about this.
Speaker B:Outside of the U.S. yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:Well, you know, there are cultures and I need to do more research so I can be very specific and name those cultures.
Speaker B:But it is common.
Speaker B:In fact there are some cultures where you, you name the daughter after the mother, et cetera, but nothing formal like the junior and the juniors, et cetera.
Speaker B:So while we're, I'm specifically within the U.
Speaker B:S borders if you will.
Speaker B:But there are plenty of examples outside where it's common.
Speaker B:And like I said, there are over 30, 000 daughters named after their mothers in the U.
Speaker B:S alone.
Speaker B:So yeah, they, they bear their mother's name.
Speaker B:If their mother doesn't have a middle name, it's the first and the last.
Speaker B:If they have all three, then it's all of those.
Speaker B:And so including hyphenation.
Speaker B:So yeah.
Speaker A:Wow, that's, that's incredible.
Speaker A:What is the pushback?
Speaker A:If there's any.
Speaker B:You know what?
Speaker B:I have not received any pushback.
Speaker B:Everybody who, if someone doesn't believe in it and thinks it's a horrible idea, they haven't said it to me.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker B:Everybody has been very, very supportive.
Speaker B:Now I did have one lady who worked on the heel that was actually one of my mother models for the photo shoot.
Speaker B:She did say that I do have to manage my expectations about, about how long it could take for it to formalize because there's all kind of legislation that has been trying to be passed forever.
Speaker B:So I need to manage that.
Speaker B:But she also said that people need wins, particularly with everything that's going on now, you know, when it comes for reelection, etc, people need wins.
Speaker B:And this could be A win for them in their community.
Speaker B:So that's exciting.
Speaker B:And then also, you have to tailor the message so that it can be received right.
Speaker B:In some communities, it's matriarchal.
Speaker B:In some communities, it's legacy.
Speaker B:In some is, you know, I want to be named after my mother.
Speaker B:And so we have to do research and really understand each community that we go in and tailor our messaging.
Speaker B:It's all the same thing.
Speaker B:And the goal is to make it a formalized naming convention, Junia as a suffix.
Speaker B:But in order for it to be embraced, it will have to be very targeted messages that are truthful and resonate.
Speaker B:And so that wasn't a pushback to the idea.
Speaker B:It was just, I think, great, great, great advice.
Speaker B:Because I've never done anything that requires, like, political acceptance.
Speaker B:And so learning this new area that I've never had anything to do with has been interesting and, and kind of exciting at the same time.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I'm excited for you.
Speaker B:Thank you.
Speaker A:I mean, if all you're getting is feedback, then there's nothing.
Speaker A:I mean, I mean, there's God.
Speaker A:You know, God is, you know, we all know he does, he does the things that he does.
Speaker A:But you, you know, in the earthly realm, all you get is feedback.
Speaker A:Then, I mean, that, that is a blessing all on its own.
Speaker A:It makes me wonder, and you can correct me if I'm wrong, it makes me wonder if all you're getting is feedback.
Speaker A:If we are realizing what our future is looking like.
Speaker A:Like the population is looking like, like we're having less children.
Speaker A:If that is behind the, this, this new movement, the momentum, or we're just, you know, intelligently growing up.
Speaker A:I, I, I'm trying to understand, like, the, the now, you know, why are we here now?
Speaker B:Yeah, I think a lot of people, because even the people who I'm spoke to that already have children, I mean, everybody has a different story.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:One young lady said, I worked so hard for this first child.
Speaker B:Yes, my daughter's gonna be named after me.
Speaker B:Okay, there's that, and then there's the.
Speaker B:Some people only want one child.
Speaker B:And it's like, okay, if I'm only gonna do this one time, why not if it's a boy dad, if it's a, a girl mother.
Speaker B:And those are the conversations we had.
Speaker B:And I've also had conversations where actually the father was more in support of, of the junior concept than the mother, because the mother was like, gosh, is that gonna make, if I name my daughter after me, then will people view me as again and conceited and all of that.
Speaker B:So it wasn't pushback in terms of the movement.
Speaker B:It was more of.
Speaker B:And this.
Speaker B:Actually, the woman had this discussion when she first had her child, which was like, five years ago.
Speaker B:Her husband said, you know what?
Speaker B:We should name our daughter after you.
Speaker B:And she said no, because she didn't want to be viewed as being overly confident and arrogant.
Speaker B:And I told her, again, nobody asked that question of.
Speaker B:Of boys when their name.
Speaker B:And we got to stop putting those barriers up for ourselves.
Speaker B:We should do it and do it with pride and legacy and power and all of those things and not worry about what people think.
Speaker B:Because I haven't run across anybody that was like, oh, that's a.
Speaker A:Odd.
Speaker B:You know, it's just like, people who might name, you know, their child whatever, you know, maybe they have a tree or whatever they wanted to, you know, like, it shouldn't matter.
Speaker B:We should be able to, you know, name something, particularly if you want to, like, continue your legacy in that way.
Speaker B:There are different ways to.
Speaker B:To continue legacy, and that's one way.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:So basically, we're.
Speaker A:We're holding ourselves back.
Speaker A:We're holding ourselves back.
Speaker B:Absolutely.
Speaker B:And I didn't tell her that.
Speaker B:She told me that.
Speaker B:She was like, you know what?
Speaker B:I held myself back for no reason.
Speaker B:You did, and it's okay.
Speaker B:But she actually doesn't seem like she's about to stop having children.
Speaker B:She loves having children.
Speaker B:So there will probably be plenty of opportunities.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I mean, they're very, very proud and.
Speaker B:And they're fine.
Speaker B:You know, that's what they want.
Speaker B:Some people on one.
Speaker B:Some people want 11.
Speaker B:Just depends.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:One or 11.
Speaker A:I wanted more, but 11.
Speaker B:11.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I heard she's at number 11.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Husband number 11.
Speaker B:So it's.
Speaker A:It's great that.
Speaker A:That.
Speaker A:That's a gift that I'm okay.
Speaker A:That God did not give me.
Speaker A:I apologize.
Speaker A:I keep looking out here because I left my wind.
Speaker A:I put my window because I knew it was going to be hot.
Speaker A:And I keep.
Speaker A:I don't know why, but I keep hearing, like, the tree is so close.
Speaker A:Like, I'm going to have, like, it.
Speaker A:I'm afraid some squirrel's gonna like it.
Speaker B:You're like.
Speaker A:I'd be like, is that a squirrel?
Speaker B:Are you getting a nice breeze through?
Speaker A:No, not really.
Speaker B:Oh, okay.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker A:Oh, goodness gracious.
Speaker A:Moving on to another part of.
Speaker A:Of this journey that.
Speaker A:That you're doing, which is really incredible, and I'm grateful that God has given you this purpose to be able to do this, because it's one of those things where like everybody has thought about it.
Speaker A:Not everybody, but a lot of us has thought about, but none of us has spoken.
Speaker A:And so as I'm thinking about this before I move on to the next thing, I do want to take this moment to thank you for this beautiful movement that you have started and for you to be able to take this on.
Speaker A:I'm sure it's a lot of time.
Speaker A:I mean to be able to do the not only put the website but spread the word, the conversations that you're having.
Speaker A:I mean one with this interview, but also to be able to be on the Hill and to constantly knock on that door not knowing when it will be open.
Speaker B:Yeah, our foremothers had to do a lot.
Speaker B:So you know, I'm up for the task.
Speaker B:But there is a lot of time.
Speaker B:I would say the website and stuff isn't as much time as like the strategy because you have to like sit down with a map of like, you know, different, you know, legislatures and think about, okay, well, you know, were there similar bills and legislation that they supported that we can like latch on and lead with that?
Speaker B:And that's a lot of work.
Speaker B:And so that's a lot of what's going on.
Speaker B:Are, are they currently after higher priorities and how can we make that connection?
Speaker B:So that's where a lot it's kind of like that pre thinking that strategy that we have to do before we just go, go out there.
Speaker B:And then there are some people that we're going to have to go out where we know they're going to say no and not support it.
Speaker B:But I figure, you know what, I should go to them first because if I can get through them and all of those questions etc and the no's and the others will be easier.
Speaker B:So I'm going to kind of use them as practice.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker A:I should think that as a strategy for whatever God calls me to do once I say yes to it.
Speaker A:Sometimes you'd be like, oh Jesus, right, go to the next one on the bench.
Speaker A:Oh goodness.
Speaker A:So moving on with my next question.
Speaker A:As I look at this, look at my notes here with so we got, we got the date.
Speaker A:I'm feeling like this is going to be like a Juneteenth moment going to be happening.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker B:I love that girl.
Speaker A:We got a date.
Speaker B:National Junior Day.
Speaker B:And it is sealed in forever.
Speaker B:March 1st will always be National Junior Day.
Speaker A:So Apple, when I open up my calendar next year, I expect for you just like any other silly day, I expect for this to automatically be on this calendar, Apples, Google, I'm telling you.
Speaker B:Oh, I love it.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker A:So with the March 1 date, because as I'm going to put this on my calendar, what.
Speaker A:What should I be doing on March 1st?
Speaker A:Who should I be celebrating?
Speaker B:You have.
Speaker A:Who should I be reaching out to?
Speaker B:So I think what you're celebrating are all mothers and, and daughters, basically.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And you have a platform here.
Speaker B:You obviously have followers and supporters.
Speaker B:So, you know, it'd be great if you give a shout out in, in your recordings before and after, you know, the date so that people can, can do that if you know of expecting mothers, you know, so have you ever thought about naming your daughter after you?
Speaker B:You know, those type of things?
Speaker B:I think that this really has to be successful, has to be a natural, grassroots kind of journey.
Speaker B:And I.
Speaker B:So, like, I expect I have been on, you know, several podcasts trying to spread the world words and my expectations just let people know about it.
Speaker B:We'll probably have some, like, different games with awards and stuff like that.
Speaker B:We also are in the process of identifying juniors and we're calling them legacy juniors and they'll get like a neck medallion.
Speaker B:Now, they don't have the junior behind their names, but they are named after their mothers.
Speaker B:So one of my great friends, her husband's mother, was named after his grandmother.
Speaker B:Now, they both unfortunately have passed away, but we're going to actually have.
Speaker B:He's in Atlanta.
Speaker B:So the next time in Atlanta, we're going to actually have a ceremony where I'm going to present this medallion to him in honor of his mother, who is a junior, because she was named.
Speaker B:So we have these medallions that as we find Junius, then we're going to.
Speaker B:And I don't care where they're located.
Speaker B:I'm going to fly there and we're going to have a ceremony to present those if they're living and if they've passed on to the living closest relative.
Speaker B:And so those will be stories that will be on all of our different platforms that will tell.
Speaker B:So the thing that you can do leading up to that is just let your, your, your followers and your friends know and if you are connected politically anyway to just please make those introductions so that I can have conversations with them.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:Oh, that's going to be really fun.
Speaker A:Yeah, that's going to be really fun just to get everybody together like that.
Speaker A:And, you know, it's not even just about being a junior.
Speaker A:I feel like it is.
Speaker A:And correct me if I'm wrong, I feel like it is a deeper connection to who to our lineage, to who we are.
Speaker A:I remember I was talking to my cousin, and it was actually a conversation yesterday.
Speaker A:I was.
Speaker A:I was doing laundry, and she was inviting me to a family reunion, but I had other travel plans, so I couldn't make it.
Speaker A:But I was telling her, you know, when it comes to our legacy and our family, it doesn't.
Speaker A:It doesn't.
Speaker A:We are who we are.
Speaker A:And to know our legacy and our family brings closure as far as who we are and why we are and why the way we move.
Speaker A:And I feel like with this movement, it is also not only just to honor the ladies as far as to pass on to something, but it is also to celebrate our lineage.
Speaker B:Oh, absolutely.
Speaker B:We've come from such strong heritage.
Speaker B:Absolutely.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:Why should guys have all the fun, right?
Speaker B:Exactly.
Speaker B:And we should not make excuses.
Speaker B:Just do it, man.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker B:Just do it.
Speaker B:Because they do.
Speaker B:And we should.
Speaker B:And then also, I was looking here because you did ask, what are some things leading up to March 1st that could be done?
Speaker B:And I actually have a list of those things.
Speaker A:Oh, okay.
Speaker B:And so some of the things that we have a campaign that's going to elevate cultural recognition, family storytelling, and intergenerational identity.
Speaker B:So some of the things that we're going to do is a lot of digital storytelling campaigns with using hashtags like Junior Day or National Junior Day, my legacy name.
Speaker B:We're going to have educational outreach to schools and family historians.
Speaker B:Like I said, we already have the petition influencer partnerships and branded social content to build awareness.
Speaker B:We were thinking about, like, an annual Junior Honor roll to celebrate women leaving a legacy through name and impact.
Speaker B:And then, like, putting out questions like, how would you celebrate this holiday?
Speaker B:How are you going to celebrate this holiday?
Speaker B:Also writing legacy letters to mothers and mentors and matriarchs.
Speaker B:So even if they're not an official Junior, but a Junior supporter, that's important as well.
Speaker B:Creating Junior Circles.
Speaker B:So small group gatherings around the nation that can be held in home, schools, libraries, offices, etc.
Speaker B:So those are some of the.
Speaker B:The ways that we plan on kind of living up to it.
Speaker B:So we have given some thought to it, and.
Speaker B:And those are one of the things we're going to do.
Speaker A:Okay, that's great.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Okay, I got.
Speaker A:I'm having thoughts.
Speaker A:I'm having thoughts.
Speaker B:Please.
Speaker A:I'm just writing some notes down for myself.
Speaker A:Oh, yes.
Speaker A:Oh, yes.
Speaker A:Oh, I'm.
Speaker A:I'm sorry, everybody, that I'm doing this in the middle of a podcast.
Speaker A:Like, like, like why?
Speaker A:But I feel that this is a beautiful Movement that.
Speaker A:That should not die down.
Speaker A:And there's so much opportunity and, and, and really to give females an opportunity just to pass down their name.
Speaker A:But our, but our name is just so much.
Speaker A:It means so much.
Speaker A:You know, thinking about why my parents named me Ashley.
Speaker A:Like, I.
Speaker A:They put so much thought into it.
Speaker A:You know, what would my name be when I enter in a room?
Speaker A:What will my name look like on a resume?
Speaker A:What would, you know, my name to be connected to.
Speaker A:To their, to the family?
Speaker A:Like, like, there's just so much into it and just so much weight.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Much weight for a parent to have, you know, for a child to come into this world.
Speaker A:You know, I remember my daughter was thinking about just changing their name.
Speaker A:And, you know, the question was with the middle name, you know, why this way?
Speaker A:And I was just like, oh, it just sounded, you know, it was so nonchalant.
Speaker A:But because there's so much on the first name and the last name, like, I really got lazy in the middle name.
Speaker B:I was like, no.
Speaker A:I said, there's no, there's nothing.
Speaker A:It was all about the flow.
Speaker A:Like, there's no legacy behind it.
Speaker A:There's no naming about somebody because they're thinking about changing their middle name.
Speaker A:Like, can I do this?
Speaker A:You know, if I do this.
Speaker A:And so when.
Speaker A:When we think about a name before somebody's born.
Speaker A:And then for those who.
Speaker A:If you're like, my daughter was thinking about changing the name, like, there's just so much thought about an identity for a person.
Speaker A:When you see it, say it.
Speaker A:How it just enters in a room, in a space.
Speaker B:Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker A:Thoughts.
Speaker A:Just thoughts.
Speaker A:That's just thoughts.
Speaker A:But I'm just so grateful that, that you reached out.
Speaker A:I was really excited about.
Speaker A:You are just your profile.
Speaker A:You are just a busy woman.
Speaker B:Oh, all thanks to God, I tell you.
Speaker B:But I have a good team.
Speaker B:I have wonderful teams that kind of help in different areas.
Speaker B:And so, yeah, thankful for that.
Speaker B:And I do get my sleep.
Speaker B:You know, staying up late, people like, oh, I can get done, get more done.
Speaker B:I need my sleep.
Speaker A:So I'm glad you said that because, baby, I don't.
Speaker A:Don't bother me, don't touch me.
Speaker A:Don't try and contact me.
Speaker A:I need uninterrupted sleep.
Speaker A:If it's interrupted, it's not going to be a good day.
Speaker B:I do view every day.
Speaker B:It's like, okay, what is my purpose for today?
Speaker B:Because I just want to.
Speaker B:And I just want to fulfill whatever that is, whether it's being an employer, a friend, or a daughter or whatever.
Speaker B:It is.
Speaker B:And like I said, if it's not there, I'm gonna create it.
Speaker A:So it wasn't there.
Speaker B:I created it.
Speaker B:And yes, that's the extra thing on my to do list.
Speaker B:And more than I thought it was going to be because I thought it was just going to be for me.
Speaker B:But, I mean, I'm up for the task.
Speaker B:And then if I have great supporters like you, Ashley, I'm so thankful, you know, for inviting me here onto your platform.
Speaker B:Then, you know, I feel good.
Speaker B:I feel good.
Speaker B:I feel encouraged and hopeful that it's going to happen.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:It almost sounds like, what was it your aunt, you know, when she opened up that Jew joint, I bet you she was like, it's not here and I'm going to put it here.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And, and I can only imagine what she went through being a black woman at that time and a business.
Speaker A:A woman who's black with the business.
Speaker A:Listen, listen.
Speaker A:That's breaking ground by itself.
Speaker B:Absolutely.
Speaker B:Absolutely.
Speaker A:Oh, my goodness.
Speaker A:Oh.
Speaker A:Oh, goodness.
Speaker A:I'm just thinking about her.
Speaker A:Too many thoughts.
Speaker A:Too many thoughts.
Speaker A:Thank you.
Speaker A:I need to settle myself down.
Speaker A:Thank you.
Speaker A:I, I have, it's so interesting because I have a page worth of notes and learning about you and talking to you today.
Speaker A:I am blessed and I am grateful.
Speaker B:Well, I am blessed and grateful as well.
Speaker B:This was a very easy conversation full of laughter and, and good insights.
Speaker B:And you did, you know, research about Junior and the Bible.
Speaker B:I think you're the first.
Speaker B:Oh, for real?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:The first host that actually did that, that research before and had questions and like, I'm curious and what she wanted, etc.
Speaker B:So I've done my research, but to, it's an honor to actually talk to someone that did her research too.
Speaker A:So thank you.
Speaker A:Thank you.
Speaker A:I, I, I didn't even think I did much because I didn't even think I did much, quite honestly.
Speaker A:And, and so this is a lesson in itself when, when you feel that, that you, you don't think it's good enough when, when you're supposed to be doing what you're supposed to be doing, it's, it's good enough for God, because I, I do want to let everybody know that when this is what this platform is about is as Christians, we can easily be told things, and that's just sometimes, not all the time, those who try to put something on us in order for their agenda.
Speaker A:And so God has created a book that is supposed to be accessible for, to us all.
Speaker A:And so it is highly important that when something is in front of you to be able to do your research.
Speaker A:Like, for example, to know Junia, I have read Romans.
Speaker A:I have read Romans times over.
Speaker A:But with us having this conversation, it was just that little nugget that I missed.
Speaker A:You know, it's like digging for something.
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker A:You know, you'd be like, I have this pile of dirt.
Speaker A:How did I miss that?
Speaker A:You go back and you'd be like, oh, my goodness.
Speaker A:And I didn't even know what I was looking for.
Speaker A:I didn't even know.
Speaker B:Didn't even know.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Didn't even know.
Speaker A:So I. I am grateful.
Speaker A:And you know, another thing, too, is the.
Speaker A:What?
Speaker A:Oh, I'm trying to find it here with Wikipedia because I didn't write it down, but it was the definition of apostle in order to get.
Speaker A:To give her more than what I think we deserve.
Speaker A:Come on.
Speaker A:Wikipedia.
Speaker A:Come on.
Speaker A:I shouldn't have wrote it down.
Speaker A:I should have wrote down the definition of apostle.
Speaker A:Definition of apostle.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Because my daughter.
Speaker A:I. I can't write.
Speaker A:I can't type fast enough.
Speaker A:I can't type fast enough.
Speaker A:Where are you?
Speaker A:Oh.
Speaker A:So with the definition of apostle, if I remember correctly, it is basically being the messenger and with pause, calling her an outstanding.
Speaker A:An outstanding one.
Speaker B:Oh.
Speaker A:The term apostle arrived, meaning one who was sent off or to.
Speaker A:Sent away.
Speaker A:So for her to be.
Speaker A:For her to receive the message and to be sent off in order to deliver the word of God is amazing in itself for a woman at that time, because a lot of them were guys.
Speaker A:I mean, you think about the disciples.
Speaker A:They're all dudes.
Speaker A:Mary Magdalene, I mean, she was also one, but people don't really put her with.
Speaker A:With the rest of the disciples.
Speaker A:So for her to be able to do her thing at that time.
Speaker B:Girl.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And it's really interesting because Junior actually kind of disappeared from a lot of stories that were told about in the church, so.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:She was probably in prison living it up.
Speaker A:Who cares?
Speaker A:She's probably like, it's better.
Speaker A:Better dad here.
Speaker A:But yeah, the fact that she is able to do the things that she did on the calling.
Speaker A:Love it.
Speaker B:Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker B:But I've so enjoyed this conversation.
Speaker B:Thank you so much for having me here.
Speaker A:Same.
Speaker A:I. I am grateful.
Speaker A:So, guys, next time.
Speaker A:I don't know what's going to be next time.
Speaker A:And you know what?
Speaker A:I know I relaunched this podcast.
Speaker A:I'm still working on my.
Speaker A:On my exit.
Speaker A:Like, how can.
Speaker A:There's no good way to end a good conversation.
Speaker A:So until next time.
Speaker B:There we go.
Speaker A:That's a good one.
Speaker B:Love it.
