The 1916 Project: Unpacking the Lies and the Legacy of Planned Parenthood
Seth Gruber's latest guest spot on the Black Sheep Christian Podcast is a wild ride through the rabbit hole of cultural insanity and its roots in the abortion movement. Right off the bat, we dive into the main dish: the absurd history of Planned Parenthood, which he explores in his book, "The 1916 Project: The Lyin', The Witch and the War We're In." You won’t believe the connections he lays out, tying the eugenics movement to the modern-day abortion industry and how they’ve rebranded themselves under the guise of healthcare. Get ready to have your mind blown as we unpack how these so-called “progressive” movements are anything but, and how they’ve infiltrated our schools with a twisted agenda. So buckle up, because this conversation is not just educational; it’s a wake-up call for anyone still believing in the fairy tale of “choice.”
Seth Gruber swings by the Black Sheep Christian Podcast to dive deep into the murky waters of abortion, eugenics, and Planned Parenthood. Now, if you thought this was going to be a light, breezy chat about cupcakes and rainbows, you clearly haven’t been paying attention. Gruber, the mastermind behind The 1916 Project, lays it all out: abortion isn’t just a medical procedure; it’s intricately tied to a historical tapestry of eugenics and social engineering that’s as old as sliced bread. He starts by recounting how his ministry launched right after Roe v. Wade was overturned, igniting a nationwide church tour that saw him preaching in conservative Christian spaces about the insidious roots of modern woke culture. You might think these folks would be aware of the historical connections between abortion and the sexual revolution, but nope—Gruber's preaching left them slack-jawed and wide-eyed, wondering how they’d missed this chapter in their Sunday school lessons.
He doesn’t just stop there. Gruber digs into the origins of Planned Parenthood, tracing back to its founder, Margaret Sanger, who—spoiler alert—was not the saintly figure many think she is. He calls her out for her eugenicist views, citing her disdain for certain populations that she deemed 'unfit'. Gruber connects the dots between the 1619 Project’s historical revisionism and the violent protests of 2020, exposing how the left’s cancel culture even turned against Planned Parenthood due to its founder’s problematic legacy. I mean, who would’ve thought that the champions of abortion rights would end up throwing Sanger under the bus? It’s a wild ride through history that reveals just how interconnected these societal issues really are. Gruber’s narrative is a sobering reminder that understanding our history is crucial if we want to navigate today’s cultural wars.
Takeaways:
- Seth Gruber's book, The 1916 Project, explores the disturbing origins of Planned Parenthood and its founder, Margaret Sanger, connecting her to eugenics and racism.
- The podcast dives into how the modern abortion movement is linked to historical cultural Marxism, revealing the absurdity of our current societal norms.
- Gruber discusses the irony of the radical left now criticizing Planned Parenthood's founder while simultaneously supporting the organization that has deep-rooted ties to her eugenic philosophies.
- The episode emphasizes that abortion is not medically necessary to save a mother's life, instead advocating for delivering the baby in life-threatening situations.
- The conversation critiques comprehensive sexuality education in schools, suggesting it's more about indoctrination than actual health education, aiming to sexualize children.
- Listeners are urged to recognize the historical context behind current cultural issues and the importance of understanding the origins of ideas that affect today's society.
Links referenced in this episode:
Companies mentioned in this episode:
- Planned Parenthood
- Daily Wire
- 1916 Project
- White Rose Resistance
- Sikas
- Sexuality Information Education Council of the United States
- Hugh Hefner
- Alfred Kinsey
Transcript
Welcome back.
Speaker A:My name is Ashley, and this is the Black Sheep Christian Podcast.
Speaker A:Today I am honored and blessed to have this very important conversation with Seth Gerber.
Speaker A:Welcome.
Speaker B:Thanks, Ashley.
Speaker A: at you can find online at the: Speaker A: So he wrote a book called the: Speaker A:This is going to be juicy.
Speaker A:So first is what prompted you to start this project.
Speaker B:Yeah, so we launched my ministry right after the overturning of Roe versus Wade.
Speaker B: So the summer of: Speaker B:So we're just over three years old, and we have resistance chapters all around the country.
Speaker B:We mobilize the church to actually fight back against abortion, the sexualization of children, all of this insanity going on in the culture that the church historically has always stood against.
Speaker B: ognizing in this craziness of: Speaker B:We actually have to push back.
Speaker B:And so we did a bunch of tours in churches around the country, and it was primarily focused on the origins of Wokeness, the sexual revolutionaries of the.
Speaker B:Primarily the 20th century.
Speaker B:Of course, every.
Speaker B:You know, you can always trace bad ideas further and further back if you want.
Speaker B:And the.
Speaker B:The feminists and the abortion movement and the cultural Marxists and the Neo Malthusians and the people who believe there's too many people on planet Earth.
Speaker B:Like, all of these people were actually in bed together.
Speaker B:Well, politically and metaphysically, sometimes literally, actually, that really architected this culture of death that we're in.
Speaker B: normalized and celebrated in: Speaker B: ,: Speaker B:So, so quickly.
Speaker B:And it really blew people's socks off.
Speaker B:The reaction to nearly everywhere we went was, I've never heard any of this before before.
Speaker B:And these were like, primarily conservative Christian churches that were actually pretty bold on most of the cultural issues.
Speaker B:They weren't cowards.
Speaker B:They were actually pretty well educated by their pastor.
Speaker B:And it was those folks saying, I've never heard any of this before with the origins and history of Planned Parenthood and the.
Speaker B:The abortion movement and the sexual revolution.
Speaker B:And so we realized, you know, we need to turn this into a film and a book.
Speaker B:And so that came out last year and is now streaming on Daily Wire plus.
Speaker B:And you can get the book.
Speaker B:Most places you get books.
Speaker B: And so it's called the: Speaker B: yed off of the New York Times: Speaker B:And they said basically, America sucks.
Speaker B:There's no reason to like your country.
Speaker B:It's systemically racist, root and branch.
Speaker B: ay as a country should not be: Speaker B: as our country's origin, not: Speaker B: And then this, the: Speaker B:It became a series of podcasts and essays.
Speaker B:It's now a docu series special on Hulu.
Speaker B: rd who gave the Author of the: Speaker B: at this led to that summer of: Speaker B:Cancel any company or corporation.
Speaker B: And so the BLM Antifa: Speaker B:I, I don't know, we had to, I guess we canceled angemima syrup because somehow that's racist now.
Speaker B:And they went after anything that they argued was racist.
Speaker B: burning down major cities of: Speaker B: They called those the: Speaker B: imes published in the fall of: Speaker B: And so it was the: Speaker B:And here's where it gets.
Speaker B:Oh, irony of ironies.
Speaker B:Actually, they put Planned Parenthood in their crosshairs.
Speaker B:So the, the radical left who supports abortion, these were not pro lifers, obviously.
Speaker B:This was BLM, Antifa crowd.
Speaker B: They said in the summer of: Speaker B:And then the Planned Parenthood director of Greater New York at the time, Karen Seltzer, came out and said, you're right, we're done making excuses for our founder and the damage she did to communities of color.
Speaker B:That was her phrase.
Speaker B:They stopped giving out the Margaret Sanger Award, which Nancy Pelosi got and Hillary Clinton got, and I don't know if Obama got it, but he spoke at one of their events, and then they took her name off of their Manhattan Planned Parenthood clinic, which was called the Sanger Health Center.
Speaker B:They took her name off, stop giving out the award in New York City.
Speaker B:Took a sign off of that street corner that called it the Margaret Sanger Square.
Speaker B:So basically they canceled.
Speaker B:Their founders said, you're right, she's a racist.
Speaker B:We're so sorry.
Speaker B:After defending her for over 100 years.
Speaker B:And the second the radical left wing attacked them, they said, you're right, she's a racist.
Speaker B:And so we opened up the book in the film with this question.
Speaker B:Okay, if you suddenly canceled your founder, then what's the real history and origins behind the largest abortion provider in the world, the largest provider of the pornographic comprehensive sexuality education in America's public schools, and the largest provider of cross sex hormones and puberty blockers?
Speaker A:Wow, that was a lot.
Speaker A:You know, this is really interesting history because as you were talking, my mind was thinking of different things and some new things to ask outside of what I even wrote down.
Speaker A:And that is just knowing our history.
Speaker A:You know.
Speaker A:When I knew a portion of the history of Planned Parenthood, I didn't really dive that deep into it.
Speaker A:I first learned about its founder just through somebody else, you know, in conversation.
Speaker A:I don't even know how he got to the subject.
Speaker A:You know, it was just that, that, that long ago.
Speaker A:And then as, as you were talking, it made me think, especially about the award, you know, the Nobel Peace Prize.
Speaker A:That, that's another example of an award named after somebody who, you know, created things that weren't beneficial for society.
Speaker A:So one of my questions to ask is when a history that is so.
Speaker A:That, that is just built on, I don't know if this is even the correct term, bloodshed.
Speaker A:I'm just maybe even being too dramatic about that.
Speaker A:When, when something is so in deep as far as that being its foundation.
Speaker A:You know, people are seeing Planned Parenthood today as an essential part of their lives for medical services that they otherwise couldn't be able to get if they had insurance.
Speaker A:Can.
Speaker A:Can a service or its needs change because of how society changes?
Speaker A:Does that make sense?
Speaker B:Well, so Planned Parenthood, many people actually don't realize this, but they.
Speaker B:They did not begin performing abortions till the late 60s or early 70s.
Speaker B:They were not founded as an abortion organization.
Speaker B:So in many ways, what you're saying, although I think you might be saying the opposite is actually true, is that as society changed, so did Planned Parenthood.
Speaker B:They did not begin with killing babies, and now that's obviously, like, their largest source of income, although the transgender industry is quickly outpacing that.
Speaker B:It's their fastest growing revenue stream now at Planned Parenthood.
Speaker B:But they were started as a eugenics organization, not an abortion organization.
Speaker B:Now, Margaret Sanger's disdain for.
Speaker B:For prenatal human life is pretty evident.
Speaker B:A lot of people say, look, Margaret Sanger didn't support abortion.
Speaker B:There is, like, one quote where she sort of insinuated that maybe she was against abortion.
Speaker B:But there's also a lot of writing that shows her blatant disregard for nascent human life.
Speaker B: ginal sources in my book, the: Speaker B:But she was a eugenicist.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:Eugenics.
Speaker B:Eugenics comes from the root word meaning good in birth, meaning that there's some people that are good in birth and some people that are not good in birth.
Speaker B:And this was a.
Speaker B:Unfortunately, a belief and almost worldview that infected a lot of conservatives as well as leftists.
Speaker B:It was being driven largely by the left in America and in the west, but plenty of people, like, unfortunately, even like, folks like Teddy Roosevelt, people that are seen as, like, pretty, like, conservative, were actually in bed with some of the eugenics movement in the early part of the 20th century, unfortunately.
Speaker B:And Margaret Sanger got funding from all over the place.
Speaker B:I mean, a wicked, vile woman, but she was very good at building.
Speaker B:She was very good at fundraising.
Speaker B:And there's an interesting connection, too, to her eugenics worldview of believing that there are some races and some classes of human beings that are just not as fit, they're not as strong, and.
Speaker B:And she did not want them reproducing.
Speaker B:That.
Speaker B:That's.
Speaker B:That's the easiest way to describe eugenics to the layperson.
Speaker B:What's interesting about that is Margaret Sanger's number one mentor, and she openly praises this man, his name Was Havelock Ellis.
Speaker B:I'm interested in all this stuff, Ashley.
Speaker B:Maybe your listeners will be too, because biology, all history is biography.
Speaker B:All history is biography.
Speaker B:It's made up of people.
Speaker B:So once you get to know the people, what they believed, who they were reading, who influenced them, who did they spend time with, who were their mentors, that's when your eyes on history start opening up in terms of what they believed.
Speaker B: aveled to the U.K. sanger, in: Speaker B:They were called the Comstock Laws, which protected the mail and the public from just kind of filth, okay?
Speaker B:And so she had been sending illegal recommendations on different forms of douches and birth control methods and this sort of stuff in these writings and pamphlets she was writing.
Speaker B:And so rather than get arrested, she actually ships her kids off to be raised by her friends.
Speaker B:Her friends forge her a passport and she flees to England to avoid New York authorities.
Speaker B:And she sort of, if I may say it, but this way, sleeps her way up the levers of power, including H.G.
Speaker B:wells, who wrote War of the Worlds, and Havelock Ellis, who was a neo Malthusian.
Speaker B:That refers to Thomas Malthus.
Speaker B: English clergyman in the late: Speaker B:You hear that said all the time today.
Speaker B:Well, he was one of the origins.
Speaker B:That's where a lot of that comes from.
Speaker B:Malthus was a huge, huge influence, by the way, on a guy named Charles Darwin.
Speaker B:And then Darwin's half cousin Francis Galton coins a term eugenics.
Speaker B:Darwin's half cousin Francis Galton wrote, read his cousin's book Origin of Species and was so quote, unquote inspired and moved Ashley, that he writes his own book on eugenics and basically applies his cousin's Darwinian principles and says, let's apply that to the human race.
Speaker B:Later, Darwin would do that in his book the Descent of Man.
Speaker B:But Galton, who coins the term eugenics and is the modern father of the eugenics movement, really was inspired by Charles Darwin, his half cousin's work.
Speaker B:Now guess who Francis Galton begins to disciple in a pen pal relationship, encouraging this individual's radical writings and revolution in the uk.
Speaker B:Havelock Ellis, Margaret Sanger's affair, sexual partner and mentor who coaches her journey back to New York.
Speaker B:And actually advised Sanger to tone down her more revolutionary sounding themes like communism and focus on the more scientific sounding themes of birth control and eugenics.
Speaker B:What's.
Speaker B:What's really hard for a lot of Americans to believe today, Ashley, is that eugenics was.
Speaker B:Was celebrated as an academic discipline.
Speaker B:It infected many of the different academic disciplines in the universities.
Speaker B:It was seen as the way to progress.
Speaker B:This is how we're going to perfect the human race today.
Speaker B:We rightly think of eugenics with the sort of disgust that it deserves because it doesn't treat human beings as fundamentally equal in dignity, value, and worth, but it creates Darwin's survival of the fittest.
Speaker B:And anyone who's viewed with infirmities or disabilities or lower IQ or many times for the eugenicist, by the way, Ashley, certain skin color, those people are viewed as less than.
Speaker B:We view that rightly, with the correct sort of disdain that we should.
Speaker A:But.
Speaker B:But in the late 19th and early 20th century, this was celebrated, lauded.
Speaker B:I mean, there was a eugenics chair at Harvard.
Speaker B:Okay?
Speaker B:So like, we just have to remember, like, this was the water that a lot of these people were swimming in.
Speaker B:And so Margaret Sanger starts focusing more on eugenic themes, which were more acceptable at the time, than on her more revolutionary communist themes.
Speaker B:And Havelock Ellis, one of Sanger's many affairs, coaches her journey back to New York.
Speaker B: And in: Speaker B:Now, some people will say, well, Seth, you know, listen, I did a little bit of reading and a fact check.
Speaker B:You're lying to me.
Speaker B:Margaret Sanger just wanted to help poor minorities control their fertility, which was harder to do back then.
Speaker B:And oftentimes the poor were having more children than they could afford.
Speaker B:And so.
Speaker B:So shut up, Seth.
Speaker B:You're doing revisionist history.
Speaker B:She just wanted to help poor minorities plan their parenthood.
Speaker B:That's not true.
Speaker B:Here is how Margaret Sanger.
Speaker B:Defined birth control.
Speaker B:Here's a direct quote.
Speaker B:If people want to fact chess this.
Speaker B:By my book, you can read all of Sanger's direct sources that I link to often in the first editions of her books that I actually have in my office.
Speaker B:She said, birth control is not contraception.
Speaker B:Thoughtlessly and indiscriminately practiced birth control means.
Speaker B:And here, here's where it gets really disgusting, Ashley.
Speaker B:This is Sanger's words.
Speaker B:Birth control means the cultivation and release of the better racial elements in our society and the gradual suppression, elimination, and eventual extinction of defective stocks.
Speaker B:You know, those she.
Speaker B:Human weeds who threatened the blossoming of the finest flowers of American civilization.
Speaker B:End quote.
Speaker B:That's that.
Speaker B:Those are Margaret Sanger's words.
Speaker B:So you can't say she just wanted to.
Speaker B:By the way, she coined the term birth control.
Speaker B:You can't just say that she wanted to help poor minorities plan their parenthood and control their fertility.
Speaker B:She said, no, it does.
Speaker B:Birth control does not mean contraception.
Speaker B:It means the cultivation and release of the better racial elements in our society.
Speaker B:Meaning she believed that some races were better and some were not.
Speaker B:That's the founder of Planned Parenthood.
Speaker B:So that's a lot of the origins in the soil of Planned Parenthood.
Speaker B:So that starts to make sense.
Speaker B:Why 79% of Planned Parenthood surgical abortion facilities before the overturning of Roe vs. Wade were within walking distance of majority black and Hispanic neighborhoods.
Speaker A:Correct?
Speaker A:Correct.
Speaker A:Oh, okay.
Speaker A:I'm like.
Speaker A:I'm, like, digesting, and I'm collecting my thoughts at the same time.
Speaker A:You know, this.
Speaker A:This subject is very interesting in the fact of the.
Speaker A:The.
Speaker A:Just being where we are today.
Speaker A:And it is such an interesting subject because it really just.
Speaker A:It's just not clean.
Speaker A:It just complicates because when you think about it today, the cost of having a child is significantly more than what it was 20 years ago, you know, 30 years ago.
Speaker A:You know, child care is high.
Speaker A:Medical expenses.
Speaker A:People are worried about their Medicaid, Medicare right now because of subsidies during the pandemic.
Speaker A:There was a formula shortage at one point.
Speaker A:You know, so it just.
Speaker B:Ew.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:With this.
Speaker A:And then with this, instead of.
Speaker A:Instead of, let's stop killing babies.
Speaker A:I mean.
Speaker A:Jesus.
Speaker A:Because that's what the abortion movement and I mean, how can this be to save families.
Speaker A:If that makes sense?
Speaker B:Well, yeah.
Speaker B:I mean, you know, listen.
Speaker B:Beware of logo gogs and lexigraphic molesters.
Speaker B:So the logo gogs.
Speaker B:So word tyrants and lexigraphic molesters.
Speaker B:Those who rape the English language to make it mean whatever they want it to mean.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:You know, language is so powerful.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Like, words are powerful because language shapes the way we think and it colors the way we see the world.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker B:Because words are expressing realities.
Speaker B:And so when I say man now, I know this is shocking to people in the 21st century, but I actually don't mean woman.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:So man is a.
Speaker B:It's a pointer.
Speaker B:Words are pointers.
Speaker B:So it's referring to something in the real world, Man.
Speaker B:So that.
Speaker B:That's that's referring to something that actually exists.
Speaker B:Words are pointers, words reflect that there is an external reality.
Speaker B:And we're trying to give expression to that.
Speaker B:Right, right.
Speaker B:We're trying to give shape to that.
Speaker B:When you use words to describe something that is not realistic, when you redefine concepts so that the, that this word now is describing something else, it's not actually health care, it's not actually empowerment, it's not actually pro family.
Speaker B:But those are the words that you're using to describe it.
Speaker B:That's very deceptive.
Speaker B:It screws with people.
Speaker B:And eventually the longer you use those words, the more you come to believe the lies that you're articulating.
Speaker B:And so the left's been saying abortion is health care, feminism, equality, women's empowerment for decades and decades and decades.
Speaker B:And it's very damaging.
Speaker B:And so we always are very careful at our organization, the White Rose Resistance and all of my speaking.
Speaker B:We just call abortion baby killing, child sacrifice to pagan deities, child sacrifice of the God of self, convenience, education, money and career well being.
Speaker B:It is demonic.
Speaker B:There's nothing new about sacrificing children and babies with the belief that you'll, you'll receive a blessing in return and your life will somehow be blessed.
Speaker B:But yes, of course.
Speaker B:There are lots of extenuating circumstances.
Speaker B:It is very expensive today.
Speaker B:I mean, the inflation's insane.
Speaker B:It's so much more expensive to live.
Speaker B:Gen Z doesn't know how to buy a home.
Speaker B:It's way more expensive to raise kids than it used to be.
Speaker B:All that you said is absolutely true, but, but the left in our culture has taken advantage of that to tell women, men, families that you can't make it.
Speaker B:You need abortion to be free.
Speaker B:You need this in order to succeed.
Speaker B:How are you going to pay for the other kids, kids you already have?
Speaker B:You're barely cutting it already, you're barely making it now.
Speaker B:You're going to need this.
Speaker B:And so we can acknowledge all of those difficult circumstances and we should.
Speaker B:This part of the reasons that like our, you know this.
Speaker B:One of the problems with our politically corrupt system is oftentimes it feels like neither political party really cares about the people who are actually struggling.
Speaker B:Now, I'm not advocating for socialism.
Speaker B:I'm advocating for the free market system that makes everything cheaper okay.
Speaker B:And a competitive system.
Speaker B:And then there's the whole healthcare thing and all of that too, which has, all of that's been increased oftentimes because of the abortion lobby.
Speaker B:So it's interesting the people who say like, oh, you know, we need Abortion because of the cost of living and families.
Speaker B:People can't afford kids.
Speaker B:You know, they need this.
Speaker B:The reality is that a lot of healthcare costs have been driven up exorbitantly because of the abortion issue.
Speaker B:You know, this is a conversation we probably don't have time to get into just given time constraints.
Speaker B:But I've had very long conversations about abortions link and impact to breast cancer, preterm delivery and future pregnancies and mental health.
Speaker B:We did a whole podcast with my friend Alex Clark over at Turning Point usa, her culture apothecary show that took off and then we had a daily mail calling us liars and libeling us.
Speaker B:And we might be suing them because the left has hidden this from women.
Speaker B:But the reality is, is that abortion has a very negative impact and increases your chances of mental health, preterm delivery and future pregnancies, and breast cancer, exorbitantly, that drives up the health care costs, that costs more money.
Speaker B:So you could also make the argument that it's because we've been killing babies through abortion that so much of the health care costs are so expensive.
Speaker B:So in re, the reality is, is that hardship doesn't justify homicide.
Speaker B:That's the reality of it.
Speaker B:We can acknowledge all those difficulties.
Speaker B:We should work to help people.
Speaker B:We should look for the our neighbor.
Speaker B:We should look out for our neighbors.
Speaker B:We should try to lift up the next guy.
Speaker B:The church should be engaged in loving the poor and helping people who struggle to make ends meet.
Speaker B:But none of those difficulties justify killing your baby.
Speaker A:Agreed.
Speaker A:Thank you for that.
Speaker A:There are some points that you said that I, I, I didn't know there's statistics in there.
Speaker A:I didn't know, I didn't know that that increased, increased cancer rates.
Speaker B:I'll give you, I'll give you one, I'll just do a little bit of the data points on breast cancer since you're interested in it.
Speaker B:But we don't have time to get into the whole thing.
Speaker B:So one in nine women will have to deal with breast cancer at some point in their life.
Speaker B: resting comparison is that in: Speaker B:And I'm only saying this as a comparison so that when I'm done with this analogy, you and your listeners will understand the unequal outrage from the abortion lobbyist compared to this study in terms of like, okay, here's a thing you do.
Speaker B:How's it going to impact your Health in the future, Mom.
Speaker B:Okay, like, doesn't matter what the thing is.
Speaker B:Here's the thing.
Speaker B:You, you're, you do.
Speaker B:How's that going to impact your future health?
Speaker B:And the discrepancy between how the media treats.
Speaker B:This example I'm about to give with abortion tells you everything you need to know about the abortion lobby.
Speaker B:Okay, so it's called the Women's Health Initiative.
Speaker B:Again, it looked at the risk in cancer from postmenopausal hormone replacement.
Speaker B:And this study found that the risk of breast cancer would be increased by 8 cases per 10,000 women per year.
Speaker B:8 cases per 10,000 women Per year.
Speaker B:But this tiny increase in study caused a national panic.
Speaker B:I'm friends with many OB GYNs, obviously, right, who are pro life, and they consult with us.
Speaker B: who were obese at the time in: Speaker B:And then the media attention that it got of women who were, who were on postmenopausal hormone replacement who were calling their obese, saying, am I going to get cancer now?
Speaker B:Why did you not tell me this?
Speaker B:How could I not know this?
Speaker B:This is evil.
Speaker B: nationwide panic happened in: Speaker B:Okay, so what do you think an objective media would do if they heard the following numbers?
Speaker B:An objective media would cause a national panic and outrage that makes the Women's Health Initiative study look like child's play.
Speaker B:There would be riots in the street and protests of pro choice women, pro abortion women outside every Planned Parenthood in America, not because they care about the unborn child, but because they'd feel like they were lied to by the abortion lobby who didn't tell them the risks for their future health from having had that abortion.
Speaker B:And so here's the, here's the data on breast cancer, and it's linked to abortion.
Speaker B: Between: Speaker B:60, 60 out of the 76 studies showed a positive association between having had an abortion and increased risk of getting breast cancer in the future because of that abortion.
Speaker B:And more than half of those 60 studies had a statistical significance that met or exceeded the 95th percentile.
Speaker B:24 of those 76 studies were done in the United States and 19 of them confirmed a positive association.
Speaker B:Now, when the abortion lobby says that abortion does not impact or affect women's future health in any way, shape or form.
Speaker B:Which, by the way, that is their claim, and it has been for decades, that abortion does not impact does not negatively impact women's future health in any way, shape or form.
Speaker B:That's their case.
Speaker B:It always has been.
Speaker B: the United states, written in: Speaker B:That book, the Safety and Quality of Abortion Care in the United States, put together by the National Academy of Sciences, looks at exactly one and a half pages of the whole book is committed to looking at the linkage between abortion and increased risk of breast cancer for the women who got an abortion.
Speaker B: done around the world between: Speaker B:They looked at three.
Speaker B:I was thinking one of those 76, Ashley, to argue that there's no association or relationship between abortion and breast cancer.
Speaker B:And all three of those studies that they looked at, Ashley, came from the 16 of those seven, the 16 of the 76 that didn't find an associate.
Speaker B:So remember, there were 76 studies and 60 of the 76 showed a positive association.
Speaker B:All three of their studies came from the 16 left of that total 76.
Speaker B:And those 16 that said there was no association they pulled from all the all three of their studies they looked at from those.
Speaker B:So there is a plausible biological, by the way, in physiological explanation as to why allowing a pregnancy to begin to stimulate the breast, but then stopping it so that the breasts don't progress to a mature state that produce milk would result in breast cancer.
Speaker B:So having had a child early in life, going full term, delivering the baby and then nursing the baby provides an incredibly high level of protection against breast cancer because those mature ducts and glands and cells and glands in the breasts are very resistant to becoming cancerous.
Speaker B:And 97% of breast cancers arise in immature ducts or glands.
Speaker B:So abortion causes the number of immature glands to proliferate but then never causes them to mature.
Speaker B:So they spend many more years in a proliferative state that is very prone to becoming cancerous.
Speaker B:So anyways, that that's, that's a little bit.
Speaker B:There's more on that as well.
Speaker B: , that looked at this between: Speaker B:And, and 60 of the 76 showed that yes, there's a relationship between having had an abortion and future breast cancer, the abortion lobby who says, hey, kill your kids, mom, nothing will ever bad happen to your future health.
Speaker B:The way that they argue from that is by looking at the minority, the super minority of the cases that said there wasn't a relationship and only pulling from those.
Speaker B:So yeah, we've been being lied to for a long, long time.
Speaker B:And so think about how much more expensive healthcare costs have become treating breast cancer.
Speaker B:Think of what it's done to the health of women.
Speaker B:Now obviously I don't make my case, I don't make my arguments against abortion based off of well, it might negatively impact you.
Speaker B:I make my argument by saying that's a human being in the womb and that human being has a right to life.
Speaker B:That's why abortion is wrong.
Speaker B:But with anyone with a semi functioning prefrontal cortex should be able to see, oh yeah, abortion super unnatural.
Speaker B:So that would make sense that it might also negatively impact your health.
Speaker B:And the fact that the abortion lobby has been lying to women about that should tell you everything that you need to know about them.
Speaker A:Yeah, you know, going back to, thank you.
Speaker A: he, to the documentary in the: Speaker A:I mean you named quite a bit of names that I never even knew were connect that I never knew the connections of whom, who's who, you know, in, in this idea bank.
Speaker A:Because this was so open.
Speaker A:And how did it even become hidden?
Speaker A:Like, like how did we get here for it to become hidden?
Speaker B:Yeah, I mean, so I'll share a couple more things and, and, and I think your, you and your listeners will immediately go, oh yeah, if most people knew that they would run so far from Planned Parenthood and the modern Democrat party that supports them no matter what.
Speaker B:And so why do they hide it?
Speaker B:Because, because it's so shocking and evil that if most people understood it, they wouldn't want to be a part of it.
Speaker B:And that, that, that also stands by the way for most liberals.
Speaker B:I think most reasonable liberals, meaning that like they don't have rainbow colored hair yet and they haven't pierced every part of their body.
Speaker B:I think most reasonable liberals, if they hear the couple things I'm about to say would be like, oh yo, maybe I'm not pro choice, yo, maybe I, maybe I don't support that.
Speaker B:Man, I had no idea.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:So, like, knowledge is power, right?
Speaker B:And a lot of, A lot of the stuff that.
Speaker B:About the origins of Planned Parenthood, which really, we have to remember, it's not just the origins of a born abortion.
Speaker B:It's a lot of the origins of the sexual revolution, the origins of cultural Marxism.
Speaker B:They were laying siege to the foundations of Western civilization, which were built.
Speaker B:Which was built by Christianity.
Speaker B:And they didn't like that.
Speaker B:And so it's always way bigger than abortion.
Speaker B:Like, abortion comes prepackaged with all manner of paganism.
Speaker B:It's not like you can just deal with abortion in a cute little box.
Speaker B:Like, here's the baby killing box, and then over here is the feminism box, and then over here's the communism box, and then over here's the cultural Marxism box.
Speaker B:It's like, no, no, they kind of all are connected.
Speaker B:And when people understand the origins of that, they begin to shift how they think, how they live and how they vote.
Speaker B:And so a lot of this was openly known at the time, in those first three or four decades of Planned Parenthood.
Speaker B:But you, because you can see these claims in books that were written about Sanger at the time and articles like, it was more common knowledge, like you were saying.
Speaker B:And over the years, if, if you've done your homework, like me, which unfortunately most people haven't, you start to see the coverage of Sanger, the coverage of Planned Parenthood become a lot softer.
Speaker B:And a lot of those more shocking elements that a lot of people knew in the early parts of the 20th century begin to be removed from a lot of the books and the biographies.
Speaker B:And, you know, and so it's just removed from the public eye.
Speaker B:And you have to do the research.
Speaker B:You have to be a nerd and go down the research path to find and be like, oh, wait, people used to know this.
Speaker B:And so here's one of those things.
Speaker B:Planned Parenthood's founding board member was part of the Massachusetts kkk.
Speaker B:Planned Parenthood's founding board member, Founding board member was referred to as the exalted Cyclops of the Massachusetts KKK chapter.
Speaker B:His name was Lothrip Stoddard.
Speaker B: T O D D A R D In my film, the: Speaker B:We have scans of the birth control review, Planned Parenthoods magazine, showing the board of directors at the time in Planned Parenthoods magazine.
Speaker B:And right there is Lothrop Stoddard's name And he sat in that board position for years.
Speaker B:He was one of the intellectual fathers of the kkk.
Speaker B:So his writings were recommended reading in various KKK chapters around the country.
Speaker B:Ashley.
Speaker B:He wrote a book called the Rising Tide of Color Against White World Supremacy.
Speaker B:That was the title of one of his books.
Speaker B:His other book was called the Revolt against Civilization.
Speaker B:The Menace of the Underman.
Speaker B:And you go, you go, wait, who's the Underman?
Speaker B:Right, who's the Underman, Lothrop?
Speaker B:And why is he a menace?
Speaker B:Who are you talking about?
Speaker B:Well, for him actually that would have been blacks, Slavs, Italians, Jews and other like mentally and physically disabled people.
Speaker B:And that book the Menace of the Underman was really well loved by these group of national socialists in Germany in the late 30s.
Speaker B:And so they paid for the German translated version of Lothrop Stoddard's book into German.
Speaker B:And I actually have, I actually have the German translated version in my office here.
Speaker B:I, I can't believe I found it for sale online.
Speaker B:It shipped from, from, from Europe.
Speaker B:It took weeks to get here.
Speaker B:I can't find any sale online anymore.
Speaker B:I just got lucky.
Speaker B:So I actually have the German translated edition with Lothrop Stutter's name on it.
Speaker B:And guess how the Nazis translated the word Underman from his book the Menace of the Underman.
Speaker B:In German it says Untermensch.
Speaker B:Now Untermensch, it's kind of translated in English is, also means subhuman.
Speaker B:And it's how they, the Nazis referred to those that they exterminated as Untermensch.
Speaker B:In fact, this might interest you one second.
Speaker A:Oh boy.
Speaker B:This is a.
Speaker B:First edition copy.
Speaker B:It's quite vile.
Speaker B:But of, of Heinrich Himmler's famous Nazi propaganda book.
Speaker A:No way.
Speaker B:And so look, it's, it says, what is that say?
Speaker B:Der Untermensch.
Speaker A:Wow, right.
Speaker B:So that, so I'm not just blowing smoke here.
Speaker B:So that's, this is very ancient.
Speaker B:It's falling apart.
Speaker B:It's, it's from the, the 40s and it contrasts Aryans with Jews and other people that the Nazis didn't see as fully, fully people.
Speaker B:So, but the, so the point is, is that historians, and to my knowledge, I guess I'm a lay historian, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not one by trade or professionally.
Speaker B:But historians didn't really begin to.
Speaker B:Sorry.
Speaker B:The Nazis didn't really begin to use the word Untermensch until the German translated version of Margaret Sanger's board members book came out.
Speaker B:So he was.
Speaker B: invited to the Third Reich in: Speaker B:And he met with Heinrich Himmler, Fritz Al, Robert Lay, and a brief meeting with Adolf Hitler.
Speaker B:And to my knowledge and research, Lothrop Stoddard, the founding board member of the largest abortion provider in the world, is the only American to have had a one on one meeting with Adolf Hitler after he rose to power.
Speaker B:And he talks about it in his book Lothrop Stoddard comes back to America and he writes a book called into the Darkness Nazi Germany Today.
Speaker B:And it's, it's, it's, it's hard to not blush reading his descriptions of meeting with Hitler because he was just fanboying basically.
Speaker B: Hitler in the Third Reich in: Speaker B:And so that's, that's the founding board member of Planned Parenthood.
Speaker A:Wow, thanks for sharing that.
Speaker A:I learned a lot.
Speaker B:I'm gonna but think about it, Ashley.
Speaker B:What does the modern left say?
Speaker B:And the BLM crowd and the Antifa crowd, what do they say?
Speaker B:They say that if something is founded and started in racism.
Speaker B:It'S irredeemable.
Speaker B:The roots are rotten, so the whole tree has to come down.
Speaker B:I mean literally.
Speaker B: at CNN, said in the summer of: Speaker B:He said, you shouldn't be screaming at these people.
Speaker B:You should be asking yourself what drew your fellow Americans into the street to behave like this?
Speaker B:I mean like the legacy media fully defended this violent insurrections all across the country.
Speaker B: the case was exactly what the: Speaker B:And so there's actually no redeeming it.
Speaker B:Like you can't just course correct their whole argument was that it's so rotten the whole thing has to be burnt to the ground and rebuilt from the ashes.
Speaker B:So I always just want to say then apply that same ethic and standard of Planned Parenthood as well.
Speaker A:Understood.
Speaker A:Understood.
Speaker A:I'm digesting, I'm, I, I, I had thoughts on top of thoughts on top of thoughts at the, at the same time.
Speaker A:And now I'm trying to go back to some of the thoughts that I was thinking about.
Speaker B: Well, and then in: Speaker B:That's what she called it?
Speaker B:Not me.
Speaker B:Yeah, she called it the Negro Project.
Speaker A:You know, it's interesting because now this may be.
Speaker A:I may be going off topic, but I'm just going to little me in school thoughts.
Speaker A:And I remember little me was like, when we were talking about World War II and how we entered World War II after Japan and Pearl Harbor.
Speaker A:And I little me was like, well, they had to have known about the Holocaust before Japan did.
Speaker A:Like, why did we take so long to be.
Speaker A:To even be part of this war?
Speaker A:But with this conversation.
Speaker A:And, you know, some that I've had in the past, it feels like we took so long because we were just seeing if it was going to work out.
Speaker A:I mean, am I wrong about that?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Things get complicated on the geopolitical stage, don't they?
Speaker B:But certainly people were.
Speaker B:Some.
Speaker B:Some people were aware of what was happening.
Speaker B:Some people were denying it.
Speaker B:Some people were struggling to believe whether what was happening was true or not.
Speaker B:But thank God that we eventually did intervene.
Speaker B:You know, Hitler's plan was to take over all of Europe.
Speaker B:He wasn't just.
Speaker B:He wasn't just focused on the German Volk, you know, he was.
Speaker B:He wanted to take over all of Europe.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:But yeah, I mean, here we are not that many decades later, and the same rotten fruit is quite normal in the minds of most Americans.
Speaker B:And on most university campuses, we still have a society that believes that not all human beings are persons and not all human beings have a right to life.
Speaker B:Instead of it being Jews or gypsies or homosexuals or the mentally and physically disabled, it's babies.
Speaker B:It's babies in the womb that are not recognized as full persons.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B: more babies in America since: Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Now, switching gears, I'm also thinking about, you know, when Roe.
Speaker A:Roe v. Wade was overturned, a new issue was beginning to crop up, and that is those who want to have families but have complications or medical risks.
Speaker A:My question is, you know, we may not need Roe v. Wade for abortion, but I mean, should.
Speaker A:Should our laws change in order to provide families who do want to be able to have a family, but medical complications happen and for doctors to be able to do what they need to do to be able to save the mother at least, or the baby at least, you know, in order for them to.
Speaker A:At least for mom and dad to be able to want to have children again.
Speaker B:Oh, yeah.
Speaker B:So great news for the whole world.
Speaker B:Abortion is never medically necessary to save mom's life.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker B:And I have been.
Speaker B:I've Actually had my Instagram nearly deleted because of saying that I had my YouTube channel give a strike because I said that.
Speaker B:And we had a fact check put on my Instagram reel that took off with.
Speaker B:Actually I was on stage with my friend Charlie Kirk making that point when we got fact checked.
Speaker B:And the whole liberal fact checking agencies turned out to say that this was wrong.
Speaker B:The reality is, if you talk to any obgyn who's not in the throes of leftist ideology but is actually a good doctor, they will tell you the same thing.
Speaker B:Abortion is never medically necessary to save mom's life.
Speaker B:Because thankfully, in the 21st century, we can almost always save the life of both mother and child.
Speaker B:If the pregnancy is what is a threat to mom's life.
Speaker B:Meaning that if the pregnancy continues, mom may or will die, then.
Speaker B:I always love to ask pro choicers on college campuses this question.
Speaker B:Ashley.
Speaker B:It just goes to show how stupid the next generation is.
Speaker B:By the way, I just asked them, so is abortion the only way to end pregnancy?
Speaker B:And sometimes they have to think about it for a second and the answer is no.
Speaker B:And then I say, what's the other way to end pregnancy?
Speaker B:It's called childbirth.
Speaker B:And so if the pregnancy is what is going to take mom's life in these.
Speaker B:And by the way, they happen.
Speaker B:They're rare, right?
Speaker B:But they happen, Ashley.
Speaker B:These horrifically complicated situations where maybe she has underlying health issues.
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker B:Anyways, it's like, okay, her blood sugar's plummeting, her heart rate, it's, you know, her blood pressure, she's going to die, whatever.
Speaker B:Some women have to be on bed rest almost their whole pregnancy.
Speaker B:Like, I get it.
Speaker B:The reality is then is that you deliver the baby, you don't, you don't kill the baby and rip their limbs off, okay.
Speaker B:Or suction their arms off, depending whether it's a, it's a forcep late term abortion or it's a suction catheter tube, you just deliver the baby and if you can, if you can adequately care for mom and keep her stable to the point that the baby is gestationally developed enough to be able to be delivered and live, then you can save both mother and child.
Speaker B:If you can't, and let's say it's first trimester right?
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Like, like you can't, you can't save both mother and child, then you still induce early labor and you deliver the baby and give that baby as many minutes with the mom as he or she can breathe.
Speaker B:But that's not an abortion because the intent of an abortion is to kill the child.
Speaker B:The intent is in an early delivery that because of a life threatening pregnancy, is to save the life of the mother.
Speaker B:It's the same thing with an ectopic pregnancy.
Speaker B:When the baby implants in the fallopian tube rather than the uterine, you perform a salpingectomy or a salpingostomy.
Speaker B:Notice how the surgical names aren't even an abortion because the intent in an abortion is to take the life of the child.
Speaker B:The intent in the salpingectomy is to remove the baby from the fallopian tube because if that continues, the fallopian tube begins to expand, it bursts and mom and baby die.
Speaker B:So the intent is to save the life of the mother.
Speaker B:The death of the child is a foreseen but unintended consequence.
Speaker B:So it's completely different.
Speaker B:And so even in rare life threatening circumstances, actually you just deliver the baby.
Speaker B:You just delivered it and then maybe, and usually you can get the baby to a gestational point where they can survive and you can save both mother and child.
Speaker B:But abortion, the surgical act of abortion is never necessary to save mom's life.
Speaker A:Thank you.
Speaker A:You know, I recently read.
Speaker A:The reason why I thought about that was because I recently read an article where.
Speaker A:Scientists are creating an artificial womb, if you may, where if it's like 22, 26 weeks, for some reason, medical complications, complication, mom can't carry the baby, they're able to.
Speaker A:That the plan or the idea is to put, make this artificial womb for the baby to be able to still grow and flourish.
Speaker A:Which made me think of that question because the article, the, the study came out not too long ago, which was quite fascinating in itself.
Speaker B:But yeah, some pro lifers are excited about that actually, because they think isn't this a great way to be happy, Able to, you know, prevent or help women and families have babies who have, you know, medical issues where they can't have a baby.
Speaker B:Isn't this a great way to have more babies?
Speaker B:Absolutely not.
Speaker B:I hope we ban artificial wombs once they become viable and I hope that they never exist.
Speaker B:All that will do, Ashley, is lead to factory farming of babies.
Speaker B:We already have a culture that does not treat babies as people with a right to life, with the same intrinsic dignity and value and worth as any single one of us.
Speaker B:We already have an abortion industry in America that's harvesting the organs of babies, sometimes while they're still breathing after they've been aborted, or certainly cutting them up right after they die to harvest their organs.
Speaker B: suit against David Deliden in: Speaker B: o was Anthony Fauci's boss In: Speaker B: e all of that in My book, the: Speaker B:You can go Google those photos, you can go Google Francis Collins, University of Pittsburgh grafting fetal scalps onto rats.
Speaker B:And you can find pictures that got leaked through FOIA requests of this being the case.
Speaker B:So we already have a culture that not only doesn't value the lives of unborn children, actually they're happy to harvest body parts to benefit born people who are seen as more fit and strong, who can benefit off of the lives of preborn children.
Speaker B:If we have a society where artificial wombs are normalized and taken for granted and seen as progress and a blessing of liberty, all that's going to mean is that, well, one, actually, by the way, pedophiles will go and take their sperm and they'll buy a poor woman's egg.
Speaker B:They'll use in vitro fertilization, then they'll gestate a baby in an artificial womb so that they can take the baby home to sexually abuse them.
Speaker B:That's already happening in America right now.
Speaker B:I see a story about every other month in the West, Ashley, where a single male or two dudes, because you don't have to go through background checks and Big Fertility now, if me and my wife want to adopt Ashley, we have to go through background check checks if we want to adopt.
Speaker B:We have to have home studies and home visits to make sure that they get to know our family and our home and that.
Speaker B:And that this is going to be a safe and loving place for this child.
Speaker B:But in Big Fertility, the only check that has to clear is the check you write to the bank.
Speaker B:So gay dudes, there's, there was a story just a couple years ago.
Speaker B:Two gay dudes, they.
Speaker B:One of them got their sperm and then they bought a woman's eggs.
Speaker B:Then they use in vitro fertilization to Create a human.
Speaker B:And then they rented a poor woman's uterus.
Speaker B:Because, by the way, most surrogates aren't doing it because it's like they're, they're a loving aunt who's trying to help out their cousin who can't have kids.
Speaker B:No, it's usually they're being paid, they need money.
Speaker B:And then these two gay dudes, they rented a poor woman's uterus, they paid her for the baby, they took the baby home and started sexually abusing these kids.
Speaker B:Like, that's happening in America right now, Ashley.
Speaker B:That's happening in the UK and in Canada and in the west right now.
Speaker B:There's no laws against it.
Speaker B:Okay, like, so I'm going to be releasing a talk on my podcast soon, the Seth Gruber show, that I just gave to a group of state legislators in Texas representing from 33 different states on IVF and big fertility.
Speaker B:So if that's of any interest, we'll probably post that in the next month or so before Christmas.
Speaker B:But.
Speaker B:So we, we, we talked about all of this.
Speaker B:There are no laws against this.
Speaker B:It's totally legal.
Speaker B:So if we have artificial wombs, what do you think is going to happen?
Speaker B:One, the pedophiles and the single males who want kids?
Speaker B:That'll be easier than ever.
Speaker B:That'll be easier than ever for them.
Speaker B:And then the abortion industry and groups that want to harvest organs of babies, especially in blue states where abortion is legal through point of birth.
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker B:Because when Roe v. Wade got overturned, it sends it back to the states, Right?
Speaker B:So in New York, California, Washington, Oregon, for example, that's going to lead to factory farming of human beings for their organs.
Speaker B:Not to mention.
Speaker B:Have we ever thought about what, what, what it's like for a human being to grow and.
Speaker B:Through a prenatal stage with zero human connection, like, we're in, like, brave new world.
Speaker B:I don't even know how to think about this.
Speaker B:This is like every human being ever, ever created Ashley has been in the womb of a woman.
Speaker B:Every human being for all of human history has known its origins in its connection to his mother.
Speaker B:Now, sometimes that mother is not the biological mother.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Because of in vitro fertilization.
Speaker B:So sometimes it's like, well, my bio mother's different, but for the baby, that birth mother is the only woman they know that baby.
Speaker B:Okay, right.
Speaker B:Who's.
Speaker B:Whose bio mother is someone else.
Speaker B:Because it was a different woman's eggs and then ivf and the baby was implanted in another.
Speaker B:In a birth mother.
Speaker B:Okay, whatever.
Speaker B:The kid doesn't Know that for the baby, all they know is the woman whose body and voice they have known from the word go, who's whose tonalities, whose laugh, whose movie preferences, whose food preferences is all of their preferences.
Speaker B:The mother who's walking and running is a rhythm that they grow to know, whose voice is the only voice that can calm them as a semi functioning.
Speaker B:Nervous system.
Speaker B:Because an infant's nervous system is still like, you know, learning how to operate, the mother's voice and body becomes almost part of their central nervous system in those first few weeks.
Speaker B:And now you're talking about creating babies and humans in a robot with no connection to another human.
Speaker B:This has never been done before.
Speaker B:And China's not that far off from artificial wombs, by the way.
Speaker B:Actually, they're very close to it.
Speaker B:Is this going to lead to soulless creatures who as infants don't even know how to respond to human voices because they were gestated in a robot?
Speaker B:Like, this stuff is coming to the west very quickly and we need to ban it before it does.
Speaker B:So anyways, I have strong opinions about that.
Speaker A:I never thought about it that way.
Speaker A:I mean, when I read it I was like, oh, okay.
Speaker A:Because you know, I, I do have, have friends who, you know.
Speaker B:Yeah, people think like, oh, more babies.
Speaker B:Isn't that a good thing?
Speaker B:But, but how you do things matters.
Speaker B:How you do things matter.
Speaker A:Oh.
Speaker A:What do you hope?
Speaker B:We've had a broad ranging conversation.
Speaker A:We did, we did, we did.
Speaker B:Unfortunately, I'm running out of time.
Speaker B:But what I hope to accomplish is to awaken normal Americans who are half decent people.
Speaker B:I'm convinced most Americans are half, half decent people, but they've just been lied to.
Speaker B:They don't know the origins of bad ideas.
Speaker B:Listen, ideas have consequences and bad ideas have victims.
Speaker B:Ideas are incredibly powerful.
Speaker B:Most people function off of an ideology or a worldview that they've, they've absorbed or imbibed or assumed.
Speaker B:But they, they, they actually, they couldn't give you language to what that worldview is.
Speaker B:They've just kind of assumed it from the culture, from the shows they watch, the podcast they listen to.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:The friends they hang out with.
Speaker B:Ideas are very important because they drive our decisions, they drive how we vote, they drive our.
Speaker B:And we have a lot of bad ideas in America that have been assumed for a long time.
Speaker B:What's that say is like be careful what you assume, you know?
Speaker A:Right, right.
Speaker B:Make an ass out of you and me.
Speaker B:We have a, we have a lot of ideas that have been assumed and they need to be reexamined and so what we do at the White Rose Resistance as a digital media and activism organization is to expose bad ideas, promote good ideas, create things that are true, good and beautiful through our films, and awaken particularly the local church to stand against evil and protect women and children once again, which has always been the heritage of the church.
Speaker A:Yeah, you know, and this would probably be one of my two questions I want to say quickly is that you started screenings at the churches.
Speaker A:And you know, church has a very complicated history with race itself.
Speaker A:And so why the church?
Speaker B:Well, I'm a Christian.
Speaker B:I believe in the Son of God who entered human history in a uterus and predicted and pulled off his own resurrection to redeem mankind from their sins.
Speaker B:I believe that Christianity is the origins of Western civilization.
Speaker B:Christianity gave us the concept of human dignity, of the sanctity of human life, of the right to life.
Speaker B:Reading an interesting book right now called When Children Became People, the Birth of Childhood in Early Christianity by O M Bake and basically his contention and, and we kind of know this, I think at a gut level anyone that's done a little bit of history research, but basically Christianity gave us the concept of children's rights.
Speaker B:Christianity gave us the concept of women's rights.
Speaker B:And by women's rights, I don't mean the right to kill your baby as it's used today, but I mean that like, hey, women are actually valuable, dignified human beings who, though they may be weaker than your normal run of the mill man, their value is the same.
Speaker B:And in ancient Rome and in the first and well, certain, certainly in ancient Rome preceding Christ.
Speaker B:But even, even in the hundred years following Christ as Christianity began to be persecuted, but it started to change society.
Speaker B:Women were viewed as the property of their husbands.
Speaker B:Children were not even viewed as persons, including after birth.
Speaker B:Like there was this Roman concept called patrofamilias, that a child was not considered to be a person until the father decided, okay, I accept you as my son, you can be part of our family.
Speaker B:Until then they could just be abandoned, killed, dissected, placed in the forest to be eaten by animals.
Speaker B:Like, like we look at some of these practices with outright disgust.
Speaker B:Rightly so.
Speaker B:But I, I don't think most Western people under, who are so woke and modern understand that like, hey, listen, whether you believe in Christ or not, you can thank Christianity for Western civilization.
Speaker B:You can thank Christianity for the fact that we don't sacrifice women and children anymore, that women aren't viewed as the sexual objects and of their, of their husbands, but are equal in dignity and value and rights.
Speaker B:You can thank Christianity for the fact that kids aren't just the sex toys of, of.
Speaker B:Of perverted males with no legal protection.
Speaker B:One of the first things that revival has always produced historically, Ashley, was a concern for and protection of women and children.
Speaker B:It's one of the first fruits that revival's always produced.
Speaker B:So the fact that we're going back in the west now to where children are endangered again and women's spaces and rights are endangered once again through the trans movement and the removal of their trophies and athlet and forcing them to see naked men in their locker rooms and, and restrooms because the dude now says he's a girl.
Speaker B:That's one of the first signs you're going back to neopaganism is when women and children are endangered once again.
Speaker B:And so why the church was your question?
Speaker B:Because the church historically has been the most powerful organism for change.
Speaker B:Because we believe that we're accountable to a higher power.
Speaker B:And we're going to stand before the King of Kings one day and we're going to give an account to how we live, how we stewarded what we were given.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:So who?
Speaker B:So what?
Speaker B:Regardless of who the president is at the time, regardless of who the emperor, prime minister is at the time.
Speaker B:You know what?
Speaker B:Screw you.
Speaker B:I'm going to be accountable to my king one day and I'm going to have to answer how I lived with what I was given.
Speaker B:That matters more to me.
Speaker B:Caesar, you're not the ultimate king.
Speaker B:The king kings has given you the authority that you have on earth.
Speaker B:And we ultimately owe allegiance to him.
Speaker B:Those attitudes threatened the Roman imperial power structures at the time.
Speaker B:But the Christianity was not persecuted, Ashley, because they worshiped a God.
Speaker B:They were persecuted because they said he's the only God and we will not worship any others.
Speaker B:The Caesars would have been fine if the Christians worshiped Caesar and Jesus.
Speaker B:It was the exclusivity of the claims of Christianity that there's only one God and creator and we owe our lives to him, that became the threat to those cultures.
Speaker B:Because here's a group of people, Christians, who are saying that if their God and, and their faith in, in Jesus runs into conflict with the modern political structures of the day, that they're going to defy us and give allegiance to the real king.
Speaker B:We don't like that.
Speaker B:Well, that Christianity began to go around the whole globe and turn civilizations right side up.
Speaker B:And it gave us the concept of equal rights, the rule of law, the sanctity of life, and the dignity of women and children that we're seeming to be abandoning in the west at an awfully scary rate.
Speaker B:And so until we get back to our heritage as Christians, which is resistance against evil, standing up for the least of these, the voiceless, the marginalized, the victimized, the.
Speaker B:The.
Speaker B:The.
Speaker B:The young, the.
Speaker B:The.
Speaker B:The unloved, until we get back to our heritage.
Speaker B:I don't think we're going to be preserving anything that matters in this republic for the sake of future generations.
Speaker B:And so that's what we're focused on, is with the local church standing up for the unborn children and the family.
Speaker A:Thank you.
Speaker A:There's some.
Speaker A:Last question.
Speaker A:What surprised you the most?
Speaker B:There's so many shocking aspects about.
Speaker B:The origin of all of these ideas in the 20th century.
Speaker B: at shocked me the most in the: Speaker B: They can go to the: Speaker B:So Planned Parenthood is the largest provider of the pornographic filth in the schools called sex ed.
Speaker B:But it's not the birds and the bees.
Speaker B:It's called comprehensive sexuality education, and it includes gender theory, transgenderism, anal sex.
Speaker B:Throuples, gay marriage, abortion.
Speaker B:It teaches kids how to circumvent the law in many states and get a judicial bypass so a teenager can get an abortion without parental consent.
Speaker B:That's in a lot of the comprehensive sexuality education.
Speaker B:It pits chill children against their parents.
Speaker B:Actually will, like, often teach this sort of gender concept by using what they call the gender bread man.
Speaker B:People can go Google that.
Speaker B:This was very popular in the last few years, teaching transgenderism to minors in the schools.
Speaker B:It's called the gender bread man to explain how there's so many genders and it's however you identify.
Speaker B:So all of that kind of filth that Bronx brought so many angry moms and dads to school board meetings the last five years, which is like an organic grassroots movement because of the filth they were showing to kids.
Speaker B:Planned Parenthood was integral in all of that.
Speaker B: In: Speaker B:It stands for the Sexuality Information Education Council of the United States.
Speaker B:SIKAS became the pioneer and the architect in what became comprehensive sexuality education, which is just all this filth that's weight.
Speaker B:I mean, one, most of it's all a lie.
Speaker B:Secondly, even.
Speaker B:Even if it Wasn't a lie, is totally inappropriate for.
Speaker B:For kids.
Speaker B:Okay, so.
Speaker B: were the architect of that in: Speaker B:You can go Google this.
Speaker B:C I E S I E C U S C K S. Their new name is ccus Sex Ed for Social Change.
Speaker B:So they're admitting in their name we use sex ed to change the social fabric.
Speaker B:It's not just about communicating biological facts.
Speaker B: ical director, founds that in: Speaker B:With.
Speaker B:With seed money from Hugh Hefner, the founder of Playboy magazine.
Speaker B:And their first board member at SIKUS was Wardell Pomeroy.
Speaker B:And Wardell Pomeroy was one of Alfred Kinsey's many gay lovers.
Speaker B: scribed by Time magazine in a: Speaker A:Oh, God.
Speaker B:Incest lobby.
Speaker B:So sex between, you know, family members and their kids.
Speaker B:That was Wardell Pomeroy.
Speaker B: d he said to time magazine in: Speaker B:He said, incest between children and adults can sometimes be an emotionally satisfying experience.
Speaker B:So, so when.
Speaker B:When you hear people say that Planned Parenthood and the sexual revolutionaries that are targeting our kids, they're kind of down with the pedophilic stuff.
Speaker B:They're kind of down with pedophiles.
Speaker B:And people go, oh, shut up.
Speaker B:You're ridiculous.
Speaker B:That's a slippery slope argument.
Speaker B:Nobody's real.
Speaker B:No, that's literally the origins of all of that.
Speaker B:What are you talking about?
Speaker B:All of Alfred Kinsey science, most of it was based off of interviewing rapists who were.
Speaker B:Who were raping kids and giving Kinsey their sexual data.
Speaker B:That became the basis for arguing that all human beings are sexual from birth and that there's no sexual experiences that are damaging to children.
Speaker B:That was the whole basis of Kinsey's fraudulent, demonic and pedophilic science.
Speaker B:Well, his.
Speaker B:One of his gay lovers and researchers, Wardell Pomeroy becomes the founding board member of sikas, which was founded by Planned Parenthood's medical director with seed money from Playboy magazine.
Speaker B:So the pornography industry is funding all the filth that becomes the sexualizing of kids in the schools by showing them porn under the mantle of health and education.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:So Planned Parenthood is not just an abortion organization.
Speaker B:They're way more than that.
Speaker B:They always have been.
Speaker B:And that was one of the more shocking aspects.
Speaker B:But anyways, I got to go.
Speaker B: People can go to the: Speaker B:They can watch the film on Daily Wire plus or they can buy the DVD.
Speaker B:I know that's crazy old school DVDs, but it is streaming on Daily Wire plus and you can get the book anywhere you get books.
Speaker A:So thank you, Ashley, Seth.
Speaker A:Thank you.
Speaker A:And thank you, viewer.
Speaker A:I want to thank you for watching.
Speaker A:Thank you for being here.
Speaker A:I learned a lot.
Speaker A:And remember, y', all, God is love.
Speaker A:And God wants us to show his love to the world.
Speaker A:Until next time.
Speaker A:Later.
Speaker B:Amen.
